KVR Audio

Lagrange · Post by **Lagrange** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:19 pm

XDVarenkor wrote:BBE Sonic Maximizer for fairy dust (why is this not on the KVR database?).

Hardware rackmount version ONLY on an insert!

C

WilliamK · Post by **WilliamK** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:22 pm

I used nothing but only kjaerhusaudio.com stuff when I re-Mastered all my Dark Ages tracks. The result was VERY good, lots of users said Professional-Results.

Wk

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:29 pm

WilliamK wrote: lots of users said Professional-Results.

Wk

Aren't you !

WilliamK · Post by **WilliamK** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:49 pm

Krakatau wrote:
WilliamK wrote: lots of users said Professional-Results. Wk
Aren't you !

YES, Me too!

Wk

7thsense · Post by **7thsense** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:01 pm

here's a list I made a while back of freebies:

Kjearhus classic limiter: http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php
simple limiter.

Stardust: http://www.aodix.com/pagestardust.html
Multiband compressor /enhancer

Grancomp3: http://www.x-buz.com/products.html
multiband compressor /limiter

Endorphin: http://www.digitalfishphones.com/mai...em=2&subItem=3
Analog style compressor

Voxengo tube amp: http://www.voxengo.com/freevst/#VoxengoTubeAmpVST
adds tube warmth

X-cita: http://www.uv.es/~ruizcan/p_vst.htm
Exciter based on bbe maximizer

LPGEQ2: http://www.ismusic.ne.jp/slim_slow_s...t/lpgeq2_1.zip
linear graphic EQ

TLSmaximizer:
http://www.geocities.com/fender686/
simple maximizer.Sounds great!

T Sledge: http://www.ismusic.ne.jp/sweetboy/T-SLEDGE/
has a limiter compressor/maximizer/expander. Pretty complex but it has dozens of presets.

zai · Post by **zai** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:26 pm

Wow, thanks for the links.

After some thoughts and did some researching...since Logic Pro 7 has a bunch of "mastering" tools built in and also Live has some built in. Is it worth my while to purchase something like this?

http://www.macprovideo.com/

Zai

P.S. though I have the tools...I still have no idea how to use them! :p

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:02 pm

Good idea - or you could go here. My favorite spot for a tune-up (for software mostly - the audio sound is very terrible).

http://www.vtc.com/audio.htm

For $30/month American you can take any of the online tutorials and quit after 1 month or whenever you like! There's some free samples you can try on Apple Logic 7 if that's the one you want...

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:57 pm

If you've not been to a conservatoire to study music for many years and cannot perform with incredible virtuosity then you're wasting your time pissing around with music. Just like the way that only mastering engineers should be allowed to do mastering.... (sarcasm)

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:26 am

It's not the same thing. The best engineers in the world don't master. Mastering engineers master. And they use very exotic and breathtakingly expensive gear, and the better ones use gear custom-made for them.

I'll let it go, it's a boring subject. And, of course, I 'master' every day of my life just about, when I slap ozone on the 2-buss before sending roughs out. Ozone is fine, by the way.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:55 am

the mythology of mastering is probably up there with the mythology of protools - those people rely on misinformation and exaggeration of their abilities in order to protect their livelihoods and supposed status. Not everyone requires the mastering quality of a major label studio.

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:24 am

You should disclose your experience. I've worked with hack mixing engineers doing mastering on the side, good mixing engineers doing mastering on the side, mediocre mastering engineers, and famous mastering engineers. If you have the same experience and reach your conclusion, your mixes must be a hell of lot better than mine. If you're guessing, you're guessing dead wrong.

rcat · Post by **rcat** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:21 am

bobby yarrow,
If you're insinuating that it is not possible to get professional results on a par with, or better than anything out there without using a mastering engineer, then you're the one who is "dead wrong". Case in point: I have a friend who owned a small recording studio for a time. He sold it and now records his own stuff using Cakewalk pre-Sonar era software. His mixes are beautiful and pristine; far better than any professionally mixed and "mastered" tunes that I've heard anywhere, and I've been a musician for 45 years and heard it all. He's able to do this because he knows how to "listen" and has taken the time to really learn the mixing process. It's really in the mix, not the mastering where the "magic" happens. Yes, mastering engineers are needed, but only by those that don't know how to "listen" and mix correctly.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:40 am

rcat wrote:bobby yarrow,
If you're insinuating that it is not possible to get professional results on a par with, or better than anything out there without using a mastering engineer, then you're the one who is "dead wrong". Case in point: I have a friend who owned a small recording studio for a time. He sold it and now records his own stuff using Cakewalk pre-Sonar era software. His mixes are beautiful and pristine; far better than any professionally mixed and "mastered" tunes that I've heard anywhere, and I've been a musician for 45 years and heard it all. He's able to do this because he knows how to "listen" and has taken the time to really learn the mixing process. It's really in the mix, not the mastering where the "magic" happens. Yes, mastering engineers are needed, but only by those that don't know how to "listen" and mix correctly.

Yeah, by my side i can say by experience that often, the best mixes does not need much more mastering improovements

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:45 am

My vote for Izotope Ozone

bobby yarrow · Post by **bobby yarrow** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:25 am

I'll say no more about it. I own what I would call a modest project studio, and I virtually require that anybody who makes a record with me for public release master with a first-rate m.e. The idea that mixes can take the place of great mastering is absurd. Note that nobody is coming forward and saying that they've worked with an m.e. that I've heard of and that they think they can do just as well themselves.

There's no insinuation about it: it is not possible to get 'professional' results without using a mastering engineer. Full stop. And not just any mastering engineer, but a real professional mastering engineer. There's no professional recording engineer in my acquaintance who would disagree with that. Try and find a real record where there's no mastering engineer credited.

That said, I don't want to discourage anybody, and won't keep retreading this ground.

which Mastering Plug-ins would you recomment?