OK Fine. Here is a NEW thread about rudeness, then.

[.jon]

This is not about personalities. I mean, theory threads always had a tendency to get nasty. The tendency transcends any particular member or members.

I disagree. The rudeness and bad air is pretty easy to trace down to one poster, at least he is involved in every thread that turned sour, usually the first one who resorts to personal insults.

These kinds of huge forums always dig up people with mental and/or social issues. Sadly there's not much forums can do to help these people.

[laputa_sync]

This is not about personalities. I mean, theory threads always had a tendency to get nasty. The tendency transcends any particular member or members.

I disagree. The rudeness and bad air is pretty easy to trace down to one poster, at least he is involved in every thread that turned sour, usually the first one who resorts to personal insults.

its me, no?

[.jon]

Yes, if you really want you can be the one.

Frankly I don't think anything we say here can change situation.

[laputa_sync]

Yes, if you really want you can be the one.

Frankly I don't think anything we say here can change situation.

(haha!!! nuff and toxi move over....)

[hibidy]

If you know a bit about history, you'll find that people are in complete agreement that they disagree. Not that it's an excuse, it's just a statement of fact.

Now, everyone, even those raised in a barn, know the difference between right and wrong and rude/vs/un-rude...but it doesn't matter here (or any other forum)

There was a very funny clip about real world vs internet reality and when posted, only the rude ones replied ( I guess they didn't like being called out...so to speak), which is not surprising, considering how rude they are in the first place.



neo

[laputa_sync]

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[herodotus]

This is not about personalities. I mean, theory threads always had a tendency to get nasty. The tendency transcends any particular member or members.

I disagree. The rudeness and bad air is pretty easy to trace down to one poster, at least he is involved in every thread that turned sour, usually the first one who resorts to personal insults.

I think I know what you are saying, but it really isn't true. There have in fact been threads that went into meltdown without any of the likely suspects being involved.

Music theory one of those perennial kvr debating points, like loops good/loops bad, Mac vs PC, P2P vs RIAA, and so on. This just seems odd to me. I thought music theory was just a boring academic obscurity. Little did I know it was the Middle East of online music forum topics.

[.jon]

I think I know what you are saying, but it really isn't true. There have in fact been threads that went into meltdown without any of the likely suspects being involved.

Of course, and I'm quite sure I'm guilty of spreading antilove as well... but if people know who I'm talking about even without naming him pretty much proves the point.

Heated debate on an interesting topic are the salt of life, everybody learns from them. But the moment it falls into "I know more than you" it's like watching crybabies throw legos at each other in the waiting room of a penis enlargement clinic.

In a discussion, substance is everything. "My theory is better than your theory" is not different from "Batman would kick Spiderman's ass big time", nobody owns or masters any of the music theories. Which in my opinion are all just... music theory and separating some branches is not very useful for someone wanting to become a better musician.

[Watto]

I must admit, I really got put off by the rudeness in here, and I'd like to state for the record that herodotus has stayed out of it admirably (not easy in some cases). I'd like to support this forum, as I think it could be a VERY valuable part of KVR, but it can be very annoying

[frz]

In a discussion, substance is everything. "My theory is better than your theory" is not different from "Batman would kick Spiderman's ass big time"

and that aside, Batman wouldn't have a chance.
(sorry couldn't resist)

cheers

[Caleb]

I must admit, I really got put off by the rudeness in here, and I'd like to state for the record that herodotus has stayed out of it admirably (not easy in some cases). I'd like to support this forum, as I think it could be a VERY valuable part of KVR, but it can be very annoying

I didn't get put off by the rudeness necessary, just the difficulty of learning much from the forum (if you don't know super large amounts of theory already). I remember when Sascha (I think it was) was explaining how an internet forum would be a great way to learn music theory and I was all for it at around that time.

But then I saw relatively simple threads on theory basics get polluted with all sorts of in-depth "technical" debate that was impossible to follow or get anything from (as a beginner that is). Everyone seemed so excited about showing everyone what they knew. And that's great - I can't see why you can't be proud of that knowledge, but alot of the time, my rudimentary understandings of what was being explained was either decimated (or at least shaken) by arguments or shades of meaning that I couldn't really follow anyway. I was left thinking - well was the original post correct or not?

So in the end I went back to my cold and impersonal books.

Meanwhile - if we want to have a Sascha forum where he's the only one allowed to teach anything or make any statements about music theory and beginners/intermediates can join that forum to bask in his knowledge or to ask questions, then I'm there.

Then we can have an academic Music Theory forum like this one, where all the music theory over-achievers can have food fights and various other forms of academic debate.

Regards
Caleb

[laputa_sync]

Meanwhile - if we want to have a Sascha forum where he's the only one allowed to teach anything or make any statements about music theory and beginners/intermediates can join that forum to bask in his knowledge or to ask questions, then I'm there.

+ 1

[Sam@Megablastic]

Kvr is like the local rough pub lol, I like it here, but I do get fed up with peoples rudeness. A few people slam anyone with an opinion not like theirs. I find it's usually from people who really don't know what they are on about as anyone with knowledge on a subject would enjoy a good debate rather than a full on "I'm not going to accept any possibility that I might learn something new, so I will shit on your topic".

Other than that I like it here a lot

[No name]

In a discussion, substance is everything. "My theory is better than your theory" is not different from "Batman would kick Spiderman's ass big time"

and that aside, Batman wouldn't have a chance.
(sorry couldn't resist)

cheers

Actually, neither even kill...so it would be a tie.

Joking, but it's true!

[TotcProductions]

nobody knows the truffles I've seen.