New Dance Library and New direction

[Sami]

Not to threat you, but in the section House and Trance, it's clearly Vengeance Essentials Club Vol 1 and 2, and Vengeance Essentials House. For generals stuff it's Stylus RMX best loaded with Zero-G's Total REX.

The Vengeance cd's are really awesome. The author really knows his shit, just listen to the essential house / minimal house demos on the vengeance site

[snooky]

Lol, I love this guys sense of tact...

Actually, Iv heard your music Snooky. Many loops on this CD would fit into your tracks a charm. Though I can that a professional trancer like yourself might prefer to program your own loops.

That said, I find your critique a little harsh. I have intentially made some of the loops sound like 90's house and trance... I like that music! But that is NOT the bulk of library.

Your critique on reverb is also highly unfoundered. Iv experimented ALOT with reverb in this collection of loops. Many of the techno loops have longer reverbs to push things back in the mix, having compressors attenuated it on strong beats. But for the closer up front sounds, Iv opted for dry or very short room reverberation.

The samples sound Reason'y? I wasnt aware that Reason even had a sound? Thought if you're talking about the Reason Redrum library, Im not sure how that is possible given that the set was not used on this library! The samples all came from my personal collection that Iv been building upon for years.

But as always, I welcome suggestions. If you could point me to some tracks that you think have cool sounding beats, then Id appreciate it greatly.

Keep your critisism constructive and I'll be most grateful for it!

Incidentally, if you can find me a library that is available currently that offers loops in this quantity, quality and diversity... then Id buy it! Immediately.

TB

right - I thought that the use of shuffled 909 hats and too much metallic reverb was kinda 90's sounding and it reminded me of the endless "Reason factorysoundbank" housetrax on various myspaces etc... but if it's that kinda sound you're after you've def hit the mark, so good for you! Your loops are not in anyway bad quality, just unimaginative IMO...but what do I know eh?



HERE is a short snippet of one of my latest tracks and the sound I feel is most useful today and the sound any housemusic samplelibrary producer might want to aim for...IMO of course.
(I love drums )

[keyman_sam]

HERE is a short snippet of one of my latest tracks and the sound I feel is most useful today and the sound any housemusic samplelibrary producer might want to aim for...IMO of course.
(I love drums )

Keep your dayjob.

[laputa_sync]

nice mp3 snooky, but i disagree with you about tee boy's stuff, its great and useful sounding.

compyfox has a good idea in Ghost in the shell soundtrack, some really broad palette stuff.

[snooky]

but that's the point, a broad palette isn't often very useful - EDM is a very specific sounding kind of music

[Compyfox]

I'd also like to have full control over reverb ammounts to be honest, but that's just me.

[tee boy]

You could listen to Takkyu Ishino, Ken Ishii and the like. Specifially the videogame soundtrack to the "Ghost in the Shell "Videogame (with people like Westbam, Scan X and both of just mentioned japanese artists).

Actually, I listen to ALOT of film and game score. My last library (which is contracted to ZeroG and will be available soon), has many of these types of sounds. I made loads of these film'y textures and drones from concrete type sources, loads of big score hits, percussion and drum loops, etc.

I'll post a few teasers for you. Im sure it would be right up your street!

This library is more a retrospect of my journey through dance music. Hence why some loops might sound very close to tracks from certain era's and styles.

Actually I'm more interested in the single hits of the loops (especially the tribal typish ones), but maybe my brain is just not creative enough to do that myself with all those Rolands and Yamaha Drum Machines out there (and I have a AKAI Collection that was once available with around 80+ Drummachines).

I have to say, most of those sounds were pretty mundane to begin with. Different treatments lead them to sound the way they do.

Not to threat you, but in the section House and Trance, it's clearly Vengeance Essentials Club Vol 1 and 2, and Vengeance Essentials House.

Yeah, Manuel's work is pretty fine. I think his tracks have a real style, and thats something thats difficult to achieve in such strict genres.

Regarding his libraries...

I do have his first one. Its a useful library, but I did end up feeling SLIGHTLY cheated when I discovered that the demo's had been through his infamous mastering chain (which he openly admits is the key to his sound).

I remember thinking that his presets sounded so hot in the demos, but very 'normal' out of the synth too.

Not really a complaint. They are fine libraries! Just not quite what I had hoped. I mean, I pretty didnt need the CD at all when I bought it, but did so anyone way based on how cool the demo sounded!

I guess there is something huge to be learned there in for any new devs out there!



And if that's still not enough, buy some back issues of the german BEAT Magazine, where there're tons of loops on there, too. Just not in REX format.

Futhermore... what price is this "pack" aimed at?

That would really be up to the dev if they decide to have it.

I honestly couldnt tell you. Literally, as of this moment Im not even sure the format!

I just wanted you guys to have a listen to a couple of wee teasers to gauge some kind of initial interest.

Appreciate the suggestions, many thanks!


TB

[Compyfox]

but that's the point, a broad palette isn't often very useful - EDM is a very specific sounding kind of music

The GitS Videogame OST is basicly EDM only. Don't misinterpret that with the OSTs from Yoko Kanno (TV, pop and rock) and the movie OST by Kenji Kawai (ambient, also wrote the OST for "Avalon" in the same style)

[tee boy]

I'd also like to have full control over reverb ammounts to be honest, but that's just me.

Hmmm, the loops are typically mixed.

But all the hits are available to play with.

TB

[tee boy]

Lol, I love this guys sense of tact...

Actually, Iv heard your music Snooky. Many loops on this CD would fit into your tracks a charm. Though I can that a professional trancer like yourself might prefer to program your own loops.

That said, I find your critique a little harsh. I have intentially made some of the loops sound like 90's house and trance... I like that music! But that is NOT the bulk of library.

Your critique on reverb is also highly unfoundered. Iv experimented ALOT with reverb in this collection of loops. Many of the techno loops have longer reverbs to push things back in the mix, having compressors attenuated it on strong beats. But for the closer up front sounds, Iv opted for dry or very short room reverberation.

The samples sound Reason'y? I wasnt aware that Reason even had a sound? Thought if you're talking about the Reason Redrum library, Im not sure how that is possible given that the set was not used on this library! The samples all came from my personal collection that Iv been building upon for years.

But as always, I welcome suggestions. If you could point me to some tracks that you think have cool sounding beats, then Id appreciate it greatly.

Keep your critisism constructive and I'll be most grateful for it!

Incidentally, if you can find me a library that is available currently that offers loops in this quantity, quality and diversity... then Id buy it! Immediately.

TB

right - I thought that the use of shuffled 909 hats and too much metallic reverb was kinda 90's sounding and it reminded me of the endless "Reason factorysoundbank" housetrax on various myspaces etc... but if it's that kinda sound you're after you've def hit the mark, so good for you! Your loops are not in anyway bad quality, just unimaginative IMO...but what do I know eh?



HERE is a short snippet of one of my latest tracks and the sound I feel is most useful today and the sound any housemusic samplelibrary producer might want to aim for...IMO of course.
(I love drums )

First up... downloading your track right now. But there are actually some Brazilian loops on mine too. My girl is from Equador and knows so much about Sounth American music. She sent me some cool Batacuda things to sample.

Let me post you something different. I can see what you are saying about 909 hats, etc. I guess I was trying to show a cross section of the more cliche stuff.

I'll post you a demo of some stuff that might be more up your street.

TB

[snooky]

right, cool!

[tee boy]

Oh, I also got one with a Brazilian football chant in the background!

TB

[Rick Deckard]

but that's the point, a broad palette isn't often very useful - EDM is a very specific sounding kind of music

how convenient.

[Compyfox]

Actually, I listen to ALOT of film and game score. My last library (which is contracted to ZeroG and will be available soon), has many of these types of sounds. I made loads of these film'y textures and drones from concrete type sources, loads of big score hits, percussion and drum loops, etc.

Might go into that one? Also, the GitS OST I was recommending you was neither from the movie or TV, but the first videogame (Playstation 1). You might also take a listen to the Wipeout videogame soundtracks (especially Wipeout 2097, Wip3out Special Edition and Wipeout Fusion). I can also recommend the OST from REZ.

I'll post a few teasers for you. Im sure it would be right up your street!

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I have to say, most of those sounds were pretty mundane to begin with. Different treatments lead them to sound the way they do.

Just surprise us, but keep in mind construction kits are also important. Loops good and fine, but I sometimes like to have some better control over the beats. Especially if the loops are premixed.

Regarding his libraries...

I do have his first one. Its a useful library, but I did end up feeling SLIGHTLY cheated when I discovered that the demo's had been through his infamous mastering chain (which he openly admits is the key to his sound).

I have VFX and VEC2. I also felt a bit cheated in terms of "you're bound to a certain bpm" (especially FX wise), and it has no REX loops (converting them was a pain). Furthermore I also have to agree that the demos sounded way more powerful than what I could create with the samples (maybe I just panned them too centered) provided.

Mind if you could hook me up where Manuel mentioned something about his mastering chain? I guess there was a lot of multiband compression involved.

That would really be up to the dev if they decide to have it.

I honestly couldnt tell you. Literally, as of this moment Im not even sure the format!

Wait wait wait. I thought you're the creator of this pack? So you kinda create the price too, don't you?

Oh well, guess my price estimation will be something around usual sample CDs... 70USD to 120USD.

[laputa_sync]

but that's the point, a broad palette isn't often very useful - EDM is a very specific sounding kind of music

oh ok, EDM is a collection of genres, no?