Here are some Virus TI presets:
http://eugenepark81.googlepages.com/virusti.mp3
The "Zebra2 plays Virus" challenge
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- KVRist
- 374 posts since 30 Aug, 2004
Not impressed, i'm sure zebra can easily do those.
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- KVRist
- 163 posts since 31 Dec, 2004
i wasnt trying to impress anybody. i recorded some presets for the sake of the challenge since nobody else is. i can go through the banks more thoroughly too look for more impressive sounds if you want
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- KVRAF
- 2036 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
Hrm... those aren't particularly the most flattering presets. Heck, most of the factory presets on the Virus B sound better than those.
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- KVRian
- 1100 posts since 4 Aug, 2004 from Copenhagen, Denmark
The unison sound at 00:14 will be hard to reproduce because Zebra does Detune and not Unison. I never owned a virus but my bet is if you could turn the virus unison knob all the way to max then noise would be the end result.
All the other things i hear should be within Zebra's limit.
Try have Virus copy this http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... ieDown.mp3 (its all Zebra)
/Michael
www.xsynth.com - Sound Synthesis with Vintage flavour
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- KVRAF
- 2036 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
For some reason, the Virus TI sounds quite fundamentally different than the earlier models. 
Is it actually patch compatible all the way back to the A and B models? When you listen to THESE factory presets from the Virus B, the core tone sounds very unlike the TI to me. Hrm...
Is it actually patch compatible all the way back to the A and B models? When you listen to THESE factory presets from the Virus B, the core tone sounds very unlike the TI to me. Hrm...-
- KVRian
- 920 posts since 12 Jan, 2004 from Boston, MA
Can Zebra make those sounds? Certainly. Will they sound as good? No.
The Virus has a very distinct filter all its own. Zebra's filter is much... "cleaner", which may not be a good thing, if you're a Virus-lover. (I am.)
The Virus has a very distinct filter all its own. Zebra's filter is much... "cleaner", which may not be a good thing, if you're a Virus-lover. (I am.)
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- KVRAF
- 2685 posts since 14 Jul, 2005 from Australia
What i absolutely adore about the virus sound is shown at 0:28, that sound is so punchy and sounds like it has a compressor running over it. Would certainly save a lot of compression plugins.
On my current tracks (using Synth1), I'm running 1 Marquis compressor per synth instance and CPU load goes up, fast!
Carry on, very curious to hear the results myself
Fots
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- KVRist
- 163 posts since 31 Dec, 2004
i seem to be having trouble creating a patch that can replicate your song there...mkastrup wrote:Try have Virus copy this http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... ieDown.mp3 (its all Zebra)
/Michael
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- KVRian
- 1100 posts since 4 Aug, 2004 from Copenhagen, Denmark
Yap i would guess so, its just that Virus is Virus and Zebra is Zebra, Virus is an old well known product with years on its back, Zebra however is still in its youth and being tried out in different genres. It takes time to see where the limit is for Zebra. Me i'm an old fart and i love the fact that Zebra can do about anything i want it to. Now if i wasnt oldskool i'd prolly also ask the question over and over is this and that synth capable of reproducing the virus sound. Sorry but i'm old fashioned, if i want virus sound i'll go buy a virusparke02 wrote:i seem to be having trouble creating a patch that can replicate your song there...mkastrup wrote:Try have Virus copy this http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... ieDown.mp3 (its all Zebra)
/Michael
Why not look at the synth for its own sound. I'm sorry i cant provide you with a more (modern) sound, i'm one of those die hard oldskool people. I bet theres alot out there that is capable of taking Zebra in modern direction, but i feel a synth needs to crawl before it can walk meaning reproduce the old stuff before you move on the more modern stuff.
EDIT: know what, for the amount it cost me to buy a Virus TI i could get a DAW laptop, Audio Card, Novation Keyboard, Cubase, headphones and Zebra. So please dont get upset if theres something that Zebra CANT do, i admire it for what it CAN do. Sorry for the rant, but its not a fair challenge in my eyes
/Michael
www.xsynth.com - Sound Synthesis with Vintage flavour
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- KVRAF
- 4141 posts since 11 Aug, 2006 from Texas
Michael,mkastrup wrote:parke02 wrote:The unison sound at 00:14 will be hard to reproduce because Zebra does Detune and not Unison.
I found an undocumented feature of Z2. If you send the same note on message twice, it plays the note twice (aka unison).
I made a quick Jesusonic effect in REAPER to multiply my note on and off messages.
Basically if I play:
C4-E4-G4, and have multiply set to x2, it sends
C4, C4, E4, E4, G4, G4 (both the on and off notes for each).
The cool thing is you can really hear a difference. It helps if you have the patch set to "many". It also chews up CPU like crazy... Interesting nonetheless.
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- KVRAF
- 5139 posts since 27 Jun, 2004
When people say the Virus (as does any serious synth) has its own sound character overall, has distinctly sounding filters, etc., so many people jump up and blame others for claiming that synth has "mythical, magical powers!!!1".
It seems that people find it hard to accept that no synth can sound exactly like the Virus, but many can sound generally similar. Introspective said "Can Zebra make those sounds? Certainly. Will they sound as good? No." - you know what that is? An opinion. Subjectivity. People find it so hard to deal with the fact that people prefer one synth's sound over others'.
Is it hard to understand that some synths are generally likable, pecentage wise, often more than others? Has anyone forgotten that in all musical instrument categories, there has always been one or several brands of an instrument that are generally more likable than others? You don't like a Steinway grand piano? Fine, but most people do, and most people prefer it over your preferred Bechstein. You don't like a Stradivarius violin? Fine, but most people do, and prefer it over your preferred del Gesu violin. You don't like a Virus synthesizer? Fine, but most people do, and prefer it over your preferred Zebra.
Claiming that if people say a Virus sounds better to them than Zebra, they say so because of some myth or because they think it's a magical synth, is ridiculous beyond words. If it's so hard to deal with it, at least try to keep yourself from locking your brain into 6 year old mode.
It's also sad that if I don't cover my own ass in this post by saying some things, people will jump up and blame me for many things while disregarding anything I've actually said. So: do I think Virus is a great, amazing and magical synth? Well I think it's definitely a very good synth and sounds nice, but I don't find its sound especially compelling, and I find Zebra to be very good too, but I find its sound even less compelling (oh my god, I'm sorry, but I do), and that's why I own neither. Am I saying that trying to make a similar sound with both Virus and Zebra is useless? No, I never said that. I think it's only natural and unavoidable to want to do that, for obvious reasons. Why do I claim that dropping a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima was a wonderful thing? I don't, I never said anything like that, don't twist my words.
It seems that people find it hard to accept that no synth can sound exactly like the Virus, but many can sound generally similar. Introspective said "Can Zebra make those sounds? Certainly. Will they sound as good? No." - you know what that is? An opinion. Subjectivity. People find it so hard to deal with the fact that people prefer one synth's sound over others'.
Is it hard to understand that some synths are generally likable, pecentage wise, often more than others? Has anyone forgotten that in all musical instrument categories, there has always been one or several brands of an instrument that are generally more likable than others? You don't like a Steinway grand piano? Fine, but most people do, and most people prefer it over your preferred Bechstein. You don't like a Stradivarius violin? Fine, but most people do, and prefer it over your preferred del Gesu violin. You don't like a Virus synthesizer? Fine, but most people do, and prefer it over your preferred Zebra.
Claiming that if people say a Virus sounds better to them than Zebra, they say so because of some myth or because they think it's a magical synth, is ridiculous beyond words. If it's so hard to deal with it, at least try to keep yourself from locking your brain into 6 year old mode.
It's also sad that if I don't cover my own ass in this post by saying some things, people will jump up and blame me for many things while disregarding anything I've actually said. So: do I think Virus is a great, amazing and magical synth? Well I think it's definitely a very good synth and sounds nice, but I don't find its sound especially compelling, and I find Zebra to be very good too, but I find its sound even less compelling (oh my god, I'm sorry, but I do), and that's why I own neither. Am I saying that trying to make a similar sound with both Virus and Zebra is useless? No, I never said that. I think it's only natural and unavoidable to want to do that, for obvious reasons. Why do I claim that dropping a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima was a wonderful thing? I don't, I never said anything like that, don't twist my words.
"Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Claudio Monteverdi
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- KVRian
- 1100 posts since 4 Aug, 2004 from Copenhagen, Denmark
bmrzycki, you able to produce a mp3 of that ? cause i cant get my head around how to set this up using cubase, perhaps its about bedtime over herebmrzycki wrote:Michael,
I found an undocumented feature of Z2. If you send the same note on message twice, it plays the note twice (aka unison).
/Michael
www.xsynth.com - Sound Synthesis with Vintage flavour
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2665 posts since 11 Jun, 2007
So,
after two pages I see the following:
- A cool developer who developed a cool synth who talks about what Z2 can and Virus can't. Nice examples but the topic still is: "Zebra2 plays Virus"
- One Virus owner who gave us some audio examples but no midi file.
Thanx for going half the way!
- Several people who still think it's cool to not be on topic but simply talk about stuff instead of showing things with audio files and corresponding midi files.
Please: If the Virus is so special and it's character can't be reproduced then help us to see/hear it! Give us some audio files together with the midi files of what you played into your Virus and let us try to emulate!? 
Shogger
after two pages I see the following:
- A cool developer who developed a cool synth who talks about what Z2 can and Virus can't. Nice examples but the topic still is: "Zebra2 plays Virus"
- One Virus owner who gave us some audio examples but no midi file.
Thanx for going half the way!- Several people who still think it's cool to not be on topic but simply talk about stuff instead of showing things with audio files and corresponding midi files.
Please: If the Virus is so special and it's character can't be reproduced then help us to see/hear it! Give us some audio files together with the midi files of what you played into your Virus and let us try to emulate!?
Shogger
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- u-he
- 30186 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Maybe it has a compressor running over it?soundpalace wrote:What i absolutely adore about the virus sound is shown at 0:28, that sound is so punchy and sounds like it has a compressor running over it.
Other than that... I think we need non-mp3 examples that were not made with a beta version of the TI. I would like to hear if the occasionally audible aliasing, clicks and stepping parameters are mp3-accidents or, uhm, features.
Also, I'd like to hear the Virus' Moog filter model. I could not yet identify a Virus example that's based on an actual model of a Moog cascade filter. Or maybe the resonance doesn't go high enough in the Virus version.
Urs