Any tools out there to export to akai S1000 format?

[Bubbamusic]

You need a small but handy program called wav2akai. Use this to convert the samples to S1000 samples and map the drum hits to notes on a keyboard. This is actually an STS program. To make an S1000 cd=rom, you need Chicken System to make an Akai disc inage, draw empty volumes within that image and drag and drop your STS programs and samples into those volumes. You now have an Akai S1000 image that has to be burned. For some reason, Chicken Sys calls it an .img file. You must rename it an .iso file. Then burn it with Nero 6.0 or above. Now you have an S1000 cd-rom. I have made quite a few this way. It is a pain, but the only way that I have found that always works.

[keyman_sam]

chickeneps,
Please do try the ultimate strings into the Fantom again, using the fantom converter (and not the translator), in archive mode, and tell me if its successful - i.e. when you press the patch mode [CARD], it'll show the programs you just converted...tell me if this is successful, and I'll be more than happy to retract my statements and learn how exactly you did this. I have absolutely no reason to complain unnecessarily...after HOURS, and many archives, and reading the manual, the converter still didn't work at all! It took me FOUR hours to map all those samples by hand, to multisamples...and then to create patches from that, and the result : only 10 patches...I finally gave up trying to use the fantom to load external sounds....I now use it as only a loop mangler - too bad cos i've upgraded it to 288 MB, and its effects sound really good...if only the translator worked for me, I'd be more than happy to keep using it, or perhaps even buy the fantom edition of the translator...the only converter that has worked fine to a tolerable level, so far, is CDXtract, but it is slightly out of my budget and it doesnt handle SFZ or the fantom format...


I'm more interested in sorting out issues for the fantom converter and the alesis converter. Thats my final goal - and currently the only converter i have for either of these units is yours.

Also, could you provide another way of limitations for the demo (for translator)...perhaps insert random junk into the sample, or something of that nature so that I can actually try everything I want without having to wait 30 minutes every time - it gets quite annoying after some time...


Also, could you please explain the waves to fantom thing a little more in detail. As for YASE, i tried the demo and it didn't work out for me - so I couldn't use it. One guy made a Fantom S/X utility a while back, but it doesnt do any conversion.

[keyman_sam]

You need a small but handy program called wav2akai. Use this to convert the samples to S1000 samples and map the drum hits to notes on a keyboard. This is actually an STS program. To make an S1000 cd=rom, you need Chicken System to make an Akai disc inage, draw empty volumes within that image and drag and drop your STS programs and samples into those volumes. You now have an Akai S1000 image that has to be burned. For some reason, Chicken Sys calls it an .img file. You must rename it an .iso file. Then burn it with Nero 6.0 or above. Now you have an S1000 cd-rom. I have made quite a few this way. It is a pain, but the only way that I have found that always works.

Thanks! Will try it out....

[chickeneps]

You need a small but handy program called wav2akai. Use this to convert the samples to S1000 samples and map the drum hits to notes on a keyboard. This is actually an STS program.

Wow, you guys ARE masocists! If you think Translator is hard to use (it isn't), WAVtoAkai will really kill you.

To make an S1000 cd=rom, you need Chicken System to make an Akai disc inage, create empty volumes within that image and drag and drop your STS programs and samples into those volumes. You now have an Akai S1000 image that has to be burned. For some reason, Chicken Sys calls it an .img file.

There's really no standard extension for an image file. IMG is the most generic one there is. ISO confuses it with an actual ISO image, which is a ISO-9660 file system which the Akai is not. NRG is really Nero's own thing, with a 600 block header.

We keep .img as the default because of the above. We also allow .nrg too, because it just makes it easier to see from Nero.

But basically, it doesn't matter. All "images" are simply raw data representing the contents of a drive, nothing more. The extension is meaningless, really.

You must rename it an .iso file. Then burn it with Nero 6.0 or above.

Nero 5 works fine too - I think even Nero 4.

[chickeneps]

OK, look, I took some time tonight to look through keyman_sam's request.

Sam seems to want to map samples into a Roland Fantom-S Patch. This essentially means he wants to create a Fantom Multisample and then have a Patch reference that.

The newer Fantom-X has an onboard facility to do this. It's a lot harder to do with the Fantom-S. (I know, I have one.)

So, sensing the most direct method, I tried to convert a folder of WAVE files into Fantom format with Translator, and NO it didn't work. =) Not too good; so I went in a fixed the bug, it wasn't too complicated. The Fantom has it's own special way of holding it's samples, the WAV conversion in Translator wasn't adapting to it well. (That will be in the new Translator Fre I'll post Monday.)

So I see the purpose behind Sam wanting to map the WAVE files to Akai format, so then he could convert those to Fnatom-S format in Translator or Fantom Convertor (which is free).

Now, I don't know if Sam (or the others he refers to) is actually using Translator/FC or he's using an using an ancient 1.0 verison or perhaps it's an evil cracked twin of Translator, but it worked great here, in both Translator and Fantom Convertor.

-Opened Translator
-Made an Akai Virtual Drive
-Dragged a folder of WAVE files into Partition A
-It wrote a Volume with the folder name, and wrote a Program and several samples
-I burned that to CD using Nero (I used the .nrg extension like I always do)
-I fired up Fantom Convertor, it saw the CD
-I converted that into Fantom format

Since my Fantom is n't in the studio here right now, I fired Translator back up and looked at the Fantom Patch in Translator's viewing facilities. Looked great, I auditioned it and all was fine in Mudville.

So, I hope it's good news to you that Translator and Fantom Convertor can actually do this. If you don't have the same experience, feel free to contact me anytime, I'll be happy to help.

[chickeneps]

Please do try the ultimate strings into the Fantom again, using the fantom converter (and not the translator)

I am not sure we have Ultimate Strings here. Akai or Roland (I think you are talking about Roland). I can look around (things are messy here of late)

Can you do this - when using the Fantom Convertor, press SHIFT when dragging a Roland Patch or Akai program over. This gives you a .rol or .ak1 file. Submit it to us, that's will give us something to work with.

in archive mode, and tell me if its successful - i.e. when you press the patch mode [CARD], it'll show the programs you just converted...tell me if this is successful, and I'll be more than happy to retract my statements and learn how exactly you did this. I have absolutely no reason to complain unnecessarily...

I'm more interested in sorting out issues for the fantom converter and the alesis converter. Thats my final goal - and currently the only converter i have for either of these units is yours.

I'd be happy to spend any amount of time helping you out.[/quote]

Also, could you provide another way of limitations for the demo (for translator)...perhaps insert random junk into the sample, or something of that nature so that I can actually try everything I want without having to wait 30 minutes every time - it gets quite annoying after some time...

Well, it's meant to be annoying. =) I have children to feed, so we have to focus on leaving important stuff to the paying customers.

I don't like the random junk method cause it's just plain messy, and I can't tell you how many Bug Reports I've plowed through where people complained about "Translator makes this patch sound awful" when I find out it's source contains trashed samples that the EXC convertor demo made.

Also, could you please explain the waves to fantom thing a little more in detail. As for YASE, i tried the demo and it didn't work out for me - so I couldn't use it. One guy made a Fantom S/X utility a while back, but it doesnt do any conversion.

Ironic! I did this, see below, before you posted this. Great minds? =)

Happy to help!

[Bubbamusic]

You need a small but handy program called wav2akai. Use this to convert the samples to S1000 samples and map the drum hits to notes on a keyboard. This is actually an STS program.

Wow, you guys ARE masocists! If you think Translator is hard to use (it isn't), WAVtoAkai will really kill you.

To make an S1000 cd=rom, you need Chicken System to make an Akai disc inage, create empty volumes within that image and drag and drop your STS programs and samples into those volumes. You now have an Akai S1000 image that has to be burned. For some reason, Chicken Sys calls it an .img file.

There's really no standard extension for an image file. IMG is the most generic one there is. ISO confuses it with an actual ISO image, which is a ISO-9660 file system which the Akai is not. NRG is really Nero's own thing, with a 600 block header.

We keep .img as the default because of the above. We also allow .nrg too, because it just makes it easier to see from Nero.

But basically, it doesn't matter. All "images" are simply raw data representing the contents of a drive, nothing more. The extension is meaningless, really.

You must rename it an .iso file. Then burn it with Nero 6.0 or above.

Nero 5 works fine too - I think even Nero 4.

I think that Translator is a great program - the best. I don't know how you could use it to take raw .wav files and automatically map them to a keyboard. Wav2akai does that for me. Secondly, if I burn an .img file with my Sony cd burner, the cd will not load. If I rename the file to .iso, it loads and plays just like an Akai cd-rom. I got that idea from the Translator forum. I use Translator to create the image, create the volumes within said image and convert the Pulsar stuff to real Akai and load the volumes. Translator does this like nothing else. Carry on fellas.

Peace: bubba

[keyman_sam]

chickeneps,
The akai method you suggested did not work. I did exactly what you described.

1)Create virtual drive for Akai S1000
2) Drag a bunch of waves into partition A.
3) Error : Translator can only write to an empty akai CD (or something of that nature).
4) Error#2: Something else

Tried again, with a different bunch of wave files -
3) Error#5 : A non-fatal error has occured.

I'm lost.

[keyman_sam]

Then, I cancelled Error#5, but it hung so i had to close the program...

[keyman_sam]

I'm using Translator Free Akai Edition...no evil cracked twins or anything...

[chickeneps]

Are you dragging a folder (one single object, a folder), or are you dragging multiple objects (WAVE files) across?

There's a difference - dragging one folder means you are creating a new Akai Volume and mapping all samples into one Program. Doing them separately means you want separate Volumes.

Plus, Translator Free's restrictions enable only to do one Object.

I tried both methods - the folder was successful, the separate objects let me do the first one, then it rejected the others, like it should. So all seemed OK here.

If you are concerned about the errors (which aren't a big deal since you can't write multiple files anyway), zip the wave files up and submit them to Bug Reports; we'll figure it out.

Lastly, it looks like you are essentially using free programs (TLR Free, to Fantom Convertor, so you can map out Fantom Patches) to get something done, and that's a harder thing to do then simply buying the programs and doing it outright. Nothing wrong with maximizing whats given to you, but the demos only go so far in what they offer you.

Tell you what - we'll include a mapping thing on Fantom Convertor for the next release. Give us this month.

[keyman_sam]

Are you dragging a folder (one single object, a folder), or are you dragging multiple objects (WAVE files) across?

There's a difference - dragging one folder means you are creating a new Akai Volume and mapping all samples into one Program. Doing them separately means you want separate Volumes.

Plus, Translator Free's restrictions enable only to do one Object.

I tried both methods - the folder was successful, the separate objects let me do the first one, then it rejected the others, like it should. So all seemed OK here.

If you are concerned about the errors (which aren't a big deal since you can't write multiple files anyway), zip the wave files up and submit them to Bug Reports; we'll figure it out.

Lastly, it looks like you are essentially using free programs (TLR Free, to Fantom Convertor, so you can map out Fantom Patches) to get something done, and that's a harder thing to do then simply buying the programs and doing it outright. Nothing wrong with maximizing whats given to you, but the demos only go so far in what they offer you.

Tell you what - we'll include a mapping thing on Fantom Convertor for the next release. Give us this month.

I'll try that method and get back to you.

As for using translator free, I can only buy something when it works as expected. I tried out reaper, and it worked as advertised, and I bought a licence. Similarly with many other instruments such as gigastudio 3, wavelore AZ, golden aset, guru, etc.. At a certain time period, i had the cash to buy Fantom YASE, and I was seriously planning on doing so. Tried the demo, didnt work. Tried the translator way before that, AND the converter, and neither worked. Went back to square one.

The Fantom Converter though, isn't/shouldn't be a "demo". Its supposed to do exactly what it says, which is, to convert roland discs and akai S1000/3000 disks to fantom format. In that aspect, it is just as good a version as the full translator is. Roland ADVERTISED the fantom as compatible with akai S1/3k and Roland Sxx sample CDs, and it better be. You can't buy a piano when its advertised as "88 keys" and then find only 70 keys working and the remaining 18 keys to be broken. Thats just plain unethical, and wouldn't be my problem.

Its just as unethical as people using cracked software.

[keyman_sam]

As for the mapping thing - sounds so good, I can't wait!! Thanks for considering this!

[keyman_sam]

Update:
Dragged and dropped a folder of waves (10-12 waves) into the akai partition. The conversion worked. Read-on. Created a image file, then renamed it into .iso. Booted up Kontakt 2.2 demo. It saw the Akai CD, and the partition. Converted the TABLAS akai patch by dragging it and dropping it in K2's main window (the conversion software for Kontakt was also written by chicken systems). It had all only ONE sample mapped across the entire range. All the other samples were omitted. Ok, no big deal, let me try some other software...

Opened Gigastudio 3, and converted loaded it into gigastudio. EXACTLY the same problem - only one sample mapped across the entire range.

In conclusion, the translator did not successfully convert a folder of, say, 10 waves, into a single akai program. Any more suggestions?

[chickeneps]

Same as I suggested earlier, zip up the waves, send them into Bug Reports. That way we work on the same data.