KVR Audio

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:30 pm

Brent, I'll reply over at the Samplitude forum.

But in the meantime, you have to turn off the 'emotional response' button, so that Samplitude doesn't shut you out

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Greg

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:37 pm

Just a quick change of title. Nothing major. I made sure to have the latest version of Samplitude installed, as well as all other drivers. I'm perplexed. If I can't figure anything out, I'll try reinstalling Samplitude tonight, but I'd like to find out what happened instead.

I also posted about this on the Samplitude forums.

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:40 pm

siriusbliss wrote:Brent, I'll reply over at the Samplitude forum.

But in the meantime, you have to turn off the 'emotional response' button, so that Samplitude doesn't shut you out .

Greg

I'll see you over at the Samplitude forums. I figured this issue was deep enough to take it over there. I'll probably get more involved there over time. I just limit my forums in an attempt to not spend TOO much time on forums. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen as well as I'd like.

Now, to teach Samplitude to chill out a bit, eh?

Brent

wuschel · Post by **wuschel** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:07 pm

koolkeys wrote:The only difference is that at work I had my MIDI controller plugged in, and now I don't.

AFAIR, SAM is based on a Logic engine (or I'm mixing things up in my mind). If you have a dedicated MIDI device, it would enable that as the default MIDI out as well.

If you have _no_ dedicated MIDI device, OTOH, it would use whatever the system by default has to offer and which is the:

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MS GS Software Wavetable Synth (or was it: Wavetable Software Synth?)
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For a Logic based engine, the necessary tweak would be to edit WIN.INI (sic!)

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:15 pm

I did already confirm that the MS GS Software Wavetable Synth was disabled. Actually, I checked that early on.

But it's not a case of the software synth even coming into play. Without the MIDI controller plugged in, all is fine. Audio files play back, VSTi instruments play fine(although by mouse instead of keyboard, so obviously not ideal).

I have checked every input and output on every track. They all look right. Nothing is routing through the MIDI output, and the MS synth thingie is disabled. So I don't know how that could be the problem.

Basically, when the MIDI controller is plugged in, the main output is "unavailable" in the ASIO4ALL controll panel. When it's not, all is fine. Every other host works regardless. So it's either a wierd setting I accidentally changed, Samplitude and ASIO4ALL compatibility, a corrupted INI file, or something similar. I'm only guessing, of course.

Brent

wuschel · Post by **wuschel** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:40 pm

koolkeys wrote:I did already confirm that the MS GS Software Wavetable Synth was disabled. Actually, I checked that early on.

I see.

IIRC, you're on Vista. Under Vista, the global audio engine is a user mode service and not needed if the only thing you want to do is use WDM Kernel Streaming, i.e, ASIO4ALL.

Whenever an instance of the global audio engine is created, an "audiodg.exe" process will pop up in task manager.

1. Does the start of SAM create such a process?
2. What happens if you terminate that process in task manager an reset ASIO4ALL, i.e. open the A4A control panel and close it just once?

Because, as opposed to, say: dropouts - or even a BSOD - there is nothing mystical about "unavailable". This really, really... only means that something else is using (and, thus, blocking) the audio output at the time.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:44 pm

I'll check that. I know that audiodg.exe does exist in task manager, but I've never seen two. Also, this happens even when I restart Windows and immediately launch Samplitude. Also, if it were doing this, wouldn't it affect all hosts? Or would it not? And would the MIDI controller somehow interfere like it seems to be?

Thanks for chiming in, by the way. Any help is appreciated.

Brent

wuschel · Post by **wuschel** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:55 pm

koolkeys wrote:I'll check that. I know that audiodg.exe does exist in task manager, but I've never seen two.

Point being, that - since it's not needed for A4A operation - it would be interesting to know whether the problem still exists after you made sure there is no instance of "audiodg.exe" running (and after an ASIO driver reset, as above.)

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:01 pm

Brent, is your input monitoring turned on?
How about the monitoring in your plugins (if it's a VST synth). Is that turned on?

What happens if temporarily turn on record monitoring?

Greg

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:21 pm

wuschel wrote:
koolkeys wrote:I'll check that. I know that audiodg.exe does exist in task manager, but I've never seen two.
Point being, that - since it's not needed for A4A operation - it would be interesting to know whether the problem still exists after you made sure there is no instance of "audiodg.exe" running (and after an ASIO driver reset, as above.)

I'm at work and don't have my MIDI controller with me. So I'll test it when I get home. Without it plugged in, everything works fine. So I have no way to tell if it's "working" here. I'll post back later.

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:22 pm

siriusbliss wrote:Brent, is your input monitoring turned on?
How about the monitoring in your plugins (if it's a VST synth). Is that turned on?

What happens if temporarily turn on record monitoring?

Greg

Hehe, same reply as on Samp forums:

I tried turning monitoring on and off, and changing monitoring modes, everything. Plus, both audio files AND instruments won't play. Unplug the MIDI controller and restart the exact same session, and sound comes back.

Brent

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:45 am

hey brent something really stranged happen, I just saw a guy online with the same name as you

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:33 am

Hink wrote:hey brent something really stranged happen, I just saw a guy online with the same name as you

He's a stalker, I tell you.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:38 am

I've personally never had a problem leaving the MS GS Software Wavetable Synth turn on in the MIDI config. - I just ignore it most of the time.

Greg

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:41 am

siriusbliss wrote:I've personally never had a problem leaving the MS GS Software Wavetable Synth turn on in the MIDI config. - I just ignore it most of the time.

Greg

Well, I think it's only an issue when using ASIO4ALL on some systems, because it's related to the audio system in some way. So it can conflict with it. Since ASIO4ALL just uses onboard sound, you have to turn it off sometimes.

Brent

No sound in Samplitude- possible bug?