Sugar Bytes

stimresp · Post by **stimresp** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:39 pm

Wonderful news!

Another ERA2 lover here. Can't wait to take this for a spin. Like the name too!

scnnr · Post by **scnnr** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:01 pm

Will it use multiple MIDI channels? And how does it compare to Consequence? I hope there are plans to allow Consequence to send multiple MIDI outs as well.

ckatrun411 · Post by **ckatrun411** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:15 pm

Great looking sequencer. I hope it is as futuristic and forward thinking as Consequence.

Sequent · Post by **Sequent** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:27 pm

Looks really good and like a really nice refinement to the ERA concept. Have been waiting for something like this and am really looking forward to it!!!

OCYL4T3 · Post by **OCYL4T3** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:36 pm

I'm really excited about this. It has been so long since I've been able to use ERA because I switched over to a Mac several years back. I was really disappointed when the developer dropped it. He announced it was sold to Sugar Bites, but it seemed to disappear into the ether for years. This is great news! Other than I'm not sure what ever happened to my registration. Just out of curiosity, did the developer give Sugar Bytes the registered user info when he sold ERA to you? I'm not sure if I can still even get hold of Holger to recover it.

Best,

Gary=-,

OCYL4T3 · Post by **OCYL4T3** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:02 pm

I went through my email logs dating back to 2003 when I bought ERA and 2004 when I pre-ordered Phrazor. It seems there was no registration. What Holger did was to send us each direct download links. I still have copies of the link and the password he emailed me, but I don't believe I actually had to enter in any registration info once the vst was downloaded. I could be wrong though. The link is still active, but it is not accepting my password any longer. I couldn't really check anyway, since I only have a mac computer, and neither Era2 or Phrazor would load on a Mac.

Gary=-

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:20 pm

well, assuming it's like EST, you do enter a serial number when you first install it. I think that what Sugarbytes needs is that serial, along with your name and the email you used to buy it from Sonicbytes.

That's what happened with EST anyway.

I don't want to put words in SB's 'mouth' though...

At any rate, I wouldn't worry, it seems that however odd Holger's 'dissipation' was, he did at least take care of the license issues properly. I had no trouble at all using my EST registration with Sugarbytes.

BTW, this looks really damned cool

I am very pleased to see this idea carried forward into a new product.
Sure would be cool to see a Sugar-y version of EST at some point

spacefox · Post by **spacefox** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:22 pm

ERA owners, check this thread and Rico's reply.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=257989

I still didn't the registration sorted, but it seems it shouldn't be no trouble.

SQ4 · Post by **SQ4** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:28 pm

they literally copied the concept behind SQ4² (pitch/duration/velocity). A free license would be only decent!

ckatrun411 · Post by **ckatrun411** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:53 pm

SQ4² wrote:they literally copied the concept behind SQ4² (pitch/duration/velocity). A free license would be only decent!

Any idea worth doing, is an idea that has already been done. Anyways.. What's SQ4?

OCYL4T3 · Post by **OCYL4T3** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:33 am

ckatrun411 wrote:
SQ4² wrote:they literally copied the concept behind SQ4² (pitch/duration/velocity). A free license would be only decent!

Any idea worth doing, is an idea that has already been done. Anyways.. What's SQ4?

Actually, I got ERA in late 2002, so I think they beat you to the punch by a couple of years. I'm not sure if Sugar Bytes are using any of the original ERA code, since it's pretty dated, but they did acquire ERA a couple years back. Obviously with the intent of developing on the original idea.

G=-,

OCYL4T3 · Post by **OCYL4T3** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:44 am

Z3R0T0N1N wrote:well, assuming it's like EST, you do enter a serial number when you first install it. I think that what Sugarbytes needs is that serial, along with your name and the email you used to buy it from Sonicbytes.

That's what happened with EST anyway.

I don't want to put words in SB's 'mouth' though...

At any rate, I wouldn't worry, it seems that however odd Holger's 'dissipation' was, he did at least take care of the license issues properly. I had no trouble at all using my EST registration with Sugarbytes.

BTW, this looks really damned cool I am very pleased to see this idea carried forward into a new product.
Sure would be cool to see a Sugar-y version of EST at some point

I remember now. ERA did not have a serial number because of the way you used it in your host. It was not really a VST at all, but a midi plug in. I was using Sonar at the time, and it was a very unusual process to get it working. It did not work if you installed it inline like a regular VST. Holger emailed us with a password which we would use to access the download. He had claimed that all of our downloads had a hidden code in them so he could identify any copy of ERA that got posted to "questionable" sites.

. I doubt that was the case, but I think at that time there were some very difficult technical hurdles involved in using a plugin before another VST, and a midi device on another track had limited access to other tracks, so you couldn't have ERA installed on a track of its own controlling a VST.
Ah.. the dark ages of digital sequencers.
At any rate, I have managed to dig up my password that I used to use to download ERA, so hopefully that will be enough. Now I just can't wait to play around with Eloquence.

G=-,

horn · Post by **horn** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:36 am

I would not buy Eloquence on any account.

First I am used to the ERA gui. I love it and it is absolutely no problem at all for me to work with it.
Second there are so many other midi generating tools available, that Eloquence should rally have something that convinces me to pay 69 € for it. That means I wouldn't buy it before trying a demo.
Third after trying the catanya demo I thought that because I in fact own a real good step sequencer it might much more useful for me to gain advanced pattern and groove facilities for a perceptible lower price.

So I am sitting on a fence...

ludwig · Post by **ludwig** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:52 am

SQ4² wrote:they literally copied the concept behind SQ4² (pitch/duration/velocity). A free license would be only decent!

But you copied that concept from old analog sequencers

On toppic: how does it compare to Catanya (the new MIDI plug by 7Aliens) ?

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:20 am

this looks much better than catanya in terms of features and adaptive use. era2 blows catanya out already on it's own, catnya is basically "phrase" sequencing. ie: you load a piano roll, and as you hit a key it plays the piano roll phrase part starting at the note you press.

era2 can do this in 'arp' mode, and i'm sure that eloquence will also be able to do this and a lot more by the looks of it.

catanya is over priced for what it does, imo.

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