KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:26 pm

jens wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Based on the video the new version seems to include an emulation of the Waveterm B too. This could playback samples like in the original machine. FX are included too now.

In the video Wolfram seems to be very exited himself. AFAIK the old version was one of his favorite synths.
Correct on all points!

Wofram Franke really seems like a genuinely nice guy and he surely knows his stuff.

He was the one who asked me i he could publish my PPG patches for Largo on the Waldorf site and as far as i had contact with him so far i could 100% agree.

BTW does anyone here know how to run Waldorf Edition LE (came with the Largo CD) on Windows 7 ?? I was too lazy to check the forums/the web for this.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:27 pm

Ingonator wrote:
jens wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Based on the video the new version seems to include an emulation of the Waveterm B too. This could playback samples like in the original machine. FX are included too now.

In the video Wolfram seems to be very exited himself. AFAIK the old version was one of his favorite synths.
Correct on all points!

Wofram Franke really seems like a genuinely nice guy and he surely knows his stuff.
He was the one who asked me i he could publish my PPG patches for Largo on the Waldorf site and as far as i had contact with him so far i could 100% agree.

BTW does anyone here know how to run Waldorf Edition LE (came with the Largo CD) on Windows 7 ?? I was too lazy to check the forums/the web for this.

+1

Definatly a very nice man indeed..

Rob

pekadan · Post by **pekadan** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:28 pm

Compyfox wrote:And the upgrade path: NONE!

You have to buy it "new" rather than upgrade from the old Steinberg Edition. Boo-yaa!

Maybe if we bitch enough about it, they'll change their minds? Or we persuade them to do a groupbuy!

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:28 pm

I'm definitely intrigued. The 2.V was probably my most-used synth for the first year or two after I got into softsynths and I remember thinking back then that it would be cool if Waldorf came out with a whole new version with modern enhancements.

I wonder what has changed in the actual voice architecture. I heard Wolfram say "multimode" and thought perhaps that was in reference to new filters. A new, improved PPG SSM model plus some additional choices with dual filters per voice would be sweet. I heard a lot of talk about aliasing, so it sounds like they've been trying to tweak and enhance the digital half of the hybrid PPG sound as well.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:30 pm

pekadan wrote:
Compyfox wrote:And the upgrade path: NONE!

You have to buy it "new" rather than upgrade from the old Steinberg Edition. Boo-yaa!
Maybe if we bitch enough about it, they'll change their minds? Or we persuade them to do a groupbuy!

At the moment i worry more about that the release date should be June. Anyone here could wait that long...

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:32 pm

Ingonator wrote:
pekadan wrote:
Compyfox wrote:And the upgrade path: NONE!

You have to buy it "new" rather than upgrade from the old Steinberg Edition. Boo-yaa!
Maybe if we bitch enough about it, they'll change their minds? Or we persuade them to do a groupbuy!
At the moment i worry more about that the release date should be June. Anyone here could wait that long...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:35 pm

Anyway i guess that PPG Wave 3.V will be released before impOSCar 2, Shioitor and maybe even PolyKB but who cares about the others if PPG 3.V is released first ?!

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:18 pm

Compyfox wrote:And the upgrade path: NONE!

You have to buy it "new" rather than upgrade from the old Steinberg Edition. Boo-yaa!

...BOOOH!!!

[taking a deep breath]

...I'm pretty sure Waldorf would earn more money by receiving something like 50 quid from v.2 users for the update, who will then value the plug-in in their everyday production and promote it through word-of-mouth advertising and thus convincing even more new customers - than getting no money from a lot of disgruntled v.2 users who don't think it's worth to pay 150 euros to get a new synth which, due to the historic hardware model, has a very questionable expandability feature-wise and that also has a software predecessor with the poorest update history for plug-ins and therfore will probably tell potential new customers it's not worth it/there are better wave-table synths/you won't get an update anyway/doesn't matter - Waldorf will go bankrupt again because of building long announced, expensive hardware like Stromberg, Zarenbourg that nobody needs and making silly business decisions for their mass products like not offering an update path for v.2 owners...

[taking a deep breath again]

...so, no money from me and no soup for you!

paladium · Post by **paladium** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:31 pm

Vectorman wrote:
I wonder what has changed in the actual voice architecture. I heard Wolfram say "multimode" and thought perhaps that was in reference to new filters.

nO that refers to voice banks , the original ppg2.3 was the first true multitimbral polysynth with midi ( rhodes chroma was a year earlier but only multi via chromaface and apple iic) its 8 part multitimbral and 16 part if you use the EVU linked up the wave 2.3 actually has 18 ! midichannels , the upper 2 beyond 16 are for its multimode communication via the waveterm, what this software probably wont do is assembling new
wavetables like the full ppgsystem they only talk about playing an imported sample back through the filter/vca , it would be cool if they included the full waveterm OS and all true synthesis options of editing/assembling wavecycles

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:59 pm

rob_lee wrote:

Rob

Any1 know if there is an english version? (yes I know musikmesse is in Germany

)

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:04 pm

Just found this picture from Musikmesse 2000:

and some Blofeld videos with Wolfram:

electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:19 pm

So what does 3.V improve from the 2.V emulation?

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:22 pm

Hopefully the sound will be more accurate, yay!

electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:27 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:Hopefully the sound will be more accurate, yay!

Digital Wavetables can be emulated perfectly because the original PPG is a Digital Synth. 2.V has already achieved that.

chilln · Post by **chilln** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:32 pm

Compyfox wrote:And the upgrade path: NONE!

You have to buy it "new" rather than upgrade from the old Steinberg Edition. Boo-yaa!

There was no upgrade path to the Waldorf Edition from the Steinbug version, even though they said there would be (they just went out of business, and came back, later). The Steiny version has bugs that weren't fixed until the WE version (supposedly); broken automation and control! I hesitate to support Waldorf at all - they sure don't care much for their past customers. OH, 'just rebuy', they imply. HA, no thanks!

I'd normally be interested in somthing like Largo, too, but not after my PPG 2v experience.