Another Patch Contest?

[Shabdahbriah]

Hmmm, I don't think the patch names need to be disguised.

Mine are always cleverly 'disguised' anyway.

re: patch_001, patch_002. At best: Bass_001, Bass_002, etc., etc... though that will all change, once I succeed at finding this really cool 'role-playing' (game, and/or book) charactor naming 'DOS' app., I used to have.

[glances at huge BOX filled with hundreds of old floppies]

You would select a number of idiosyncratic characteristics, motivators/traits etc., and ta da!!!

It would help if I could remember the apps name beyond "really-cool-naming-thing", but, no.

(sigh)

[hakey]

I suggest if you want to generate more interest and not just have the same handful of people entering and voting for each other all the time you give my method a try at least once

How would changing the voting system generate more interest?

Sorry, that's not meant to be a hostile question - just trying to understand the point you're making.

[Slinky Productions]

I suggest if you want to generate more interest and not just have the same handful of people entering and voting for each other all the time you give my method a try at least once

How would changing the voting system generate more interest?

Sorry, that's not meant to be a hostile question - just trying to understand the point your making.

because people who don't like the voting system as it is, cliquetastic, won't take part. if it's truly fair and impartial, you have a better chance of getting users other than the usual suspects to take part.

simple.

[hakey]

Hmmm, I don't think the patch names need to be disguised.

It would just ensure there's no subconscious give-aways to forum regulars thereby making it absolutely fair for all involved no matter how long they have been in the community.

I don't think that you could get rid of the 'subconscious' give-aways - there's likely to be many more clues in the patch itself than in the patchname.

[Slinky Productions]

Hmmm, I don't think the patch names need to be disguised.

It would just ensure there's no subconscious give-aways to forum regulars thereby making it absolutely fair for all involved no matter how long they have been in the community.

I don't think that you could get rid of the 'subconscious' give-aways - there's likely to be many more clues in the patch itself than in the patchname.

at a stretch, but so be it as there is nothing you can do about that. but you can do something about the patch names.

Honestly don't get why you want to argue against a truly fair & impartial system. The amount of 'extra' work involved is trivial. the turnouts for these things have been low and I for one have been put off entering because of the way they are conducted.

You asked for suggestions for more participation, this is mine.

[hakey]

Honestly don't get why you want to argue against a truly fair & impartial system. The amount of 'extra' work involved is trivial.

I beg to differ, the work would not be 'trivial', it would be boring admin with a good deal of responsibility for just one person, who would not be able to take part in the contest and would presumably receive little reward beyond thanks.

Plus the contest would be wholly reliant upon that one person, which, from experience, doesn't seem like such a good idea.

[AzureWave]

I disagree that only people who enter patches should be eligible to vote. The more people that vote the better. Most people don't program sounds, so by restricting the voting to those who contribute you make the total number of votes cast smaller than it otherwise would be.

Patch names can be entertaining, 0001, 0002...?

[hakey]

You asked for suggestions for more participation, this is mine.

Yes, I know, and I'm just respectfully giving my own views in return. AFAIC this is a discussion not an argument.

[Urs]

Well, once Patchbender is launched we of course have different resources. Such as one of my freelancers. Who could just do these things. One of them could even set up a fully automated webinterface for entries and voting. Hmmm... will think about that...

[Slinky Productions]

someone is going to have to curate it anyways. and you can disagree if you want. taking a poo is boring also but it only takes a couple of minutes. renaming 20 files from 1-20, and cut & pasting votes. How much extra time would it take ? huh ? 5 mins ?

oh no! not worth it for the sake of a fairness & impartiality.

so are you going to shoot down every other suggestion you receive that doesn't endorse the current system ?

[Bronto Scorpio]

I like the voting system exactly how it is now. And I don't see how patchnames like "Movie Strings" or "Fun With Noise" should influence the voting

The names of tne entrants were always deleted from the patch information.

Cheers
Dennis

[Urs]

I agree with AzureWave. For me it's rather important that the contests have some inspiring effect on many people. I also think that it would be good to involve people who are not patch designers themselves.

Wasn't there a rule where the public vote using the phpbb poll counted so and so much?

[hakey]

so are you going to shoot down every other suggestion you receive that doesn't endorse the current system ?

Firstly, thanks for the suggestions.

Secondly, don't get so bloody defensive! - I have only been expressing my own opinion and what I think is far from the be all and end all here. If a load more people agree with you I'll happily go with the consensus.

Yes, someone has to curate things - but this can be done in such a way that they can still take part. If anonymizing is required then that person can no longer enter. The problem then becomes finding someone who is willing to do the work for next to no reward.

[hakey]

Wasn't there a rule where the public vote using the phpbb poll counted so and so much?

Unfortunately, as xh3rv discovered in one of the ZPC's, there seems to be a limit on the number of options that can be included in a poll - so it only works when there's few patches.

[Slinky Productions]

I disagree that only people who enter patches should be eligible to vote. The more people that vote the better. Most people don't program sounds, so by restricting the voting to those who contribute you make the total number of votes cast smaller than it otherwise would be.

Patch names can be entertaining, 0001, 0002...?

ok well the patchname thing is not a deal breaker for me but I still think it is a good idea. But I won't enter contests unless the other very simple suggestions I raised were realised!!

as for voting well there's no way to regulate a public vote. if there would be votes counted from non-entrants I would still want it to be done in secret!
(but published after the votes are counted of course!)

I think the public vote could be for "second prize" or "the people's choice" voucher of some nature, but the actual entrants votes would determine the winner of the license. Of course I feel cheeky for talking about prizes when that's down to Uhe.

of course one way or the other I think the competition patch library could still be shared to the public to capture their imagination