KVR Audio

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:02 am

Whoa! Over 130 velocities???

Let's see, I have velocity 0 through .... 127? Umm... am I missing something here? And someone, please, educate me on how I tell the difference between velocity 23 and 24? or 65 and 66? I'm usually the last person to say 'overkill', but I think I just found it. Eh, at least it's on a DW kit, I'll give 'em credit for pickin' some top quality kit.

Devon

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:23 am

im sure they both employ choke groups - but that doesnt produce the same sound hitting an already ringing cymbal does not sound like stopping one sound and starting another because of they way the hit is made

as for the 140 velocity layers - the snare has 4 hit types - centre, middle edge and side - controlled by the mod wheel - ie 35 velocity layers per hit type

by youll need a monster computer because most of this info will be in ram - cos hits are very short and frankly i prefer the idea of bfd where it has controls that fit its use - rather than a dull cryptic sampler screen

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:28 am

ericj23 wrote:im sure they both employ choke groups - but that doesnt produce the same sound hitting an already ringing cymbal does not sound like stopping one sound and starting another because of they way the hit is made

I'll give you that, but do you honestly HEAR that subtle difference? Good drum programming goes a long ways, and I've heard mighty impressive results with less. I'm not a drummer, so maybe that's the problem, but it seems a bit on the overkill side.

as for the 140 velocity layers - the snare has 4 hit types - centre, middle edge and side - controlled by the mod wheel - ie 35 velocity layers per hit type

Aha! Gotcha! That makes more sense now at least.

Devon

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:40 am

Hurrah, someone agrees with me (bet you didnt read my comments on page one tho Devon, cos u just saud the same as me

)

There is another alternative, get a real drummer in, and it will sound like a drummer, not an emulation

(and dont me that crap about shit drummers and timing etc, cos you 'real drum' programmers spend two weeks getting ya grooves to sound out of time

)

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:16 am

Kriminal wrote:
(and dont me that crap about shit drummers and timing etc, )

Ahh errr, you've seen me play then eh?

Might start recording me 'donkey grooves' sample CD down the pub tonight

Hmmm, all seems a tad excessive to me too, it might be ok for doing some huge jazz wank drum solo (grrreeeels?

), but in the context of a song it's way over the top. Hmm reminds me of some of the arse that gets talked about reverb round these parts too...

dfjjgpjpdss

Grumpy!

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:08 pm

Kriminal wrote:Hurrah, someone agrees with me (bet you didnt read my comments on page one tho Devon, cos u just saud the same as me )

I did. Next time I'll quote ya when I agree with ya. Will that make you feel better?

Devon

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:17 pm

DevonB wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Hurrah, someone agrees with me (bet you didnt read my comments on page one tho Devon, cos u just saud the same as me )
I did. Next time I'll quote ya when I agree with ya. Will that make you feel better?

Devon

Please. I love being quoted, its my fav thing. The Mrs does it all the time..."but you said...blah blah..." shut up woman and do the tea

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:31 pm

shut up woman and do the tea

Sound's familiar!

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:25 pm

Kriminal wrote:
DevonB wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Hurrah, someone agrees with me (bet you didnt read my comments on page one tho Devon, cos u just saud the same as me )
I did. Next time I'll quote ya when I agree with ya. Will that make you feel better?

Devon
Please. I love being quoted, its my fav thing. The Mrs does it all the time..."but you said...blah blah..." shut up woman and do the tea

Devon

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:36 pm

christ of course i dont hear it - well you kinda do if its been badly programmed but at least it is a reason to do it

but you know these things will just get bigger and bigger - wait till they get to every string and slide on a guitar sampled - thatll be a hardrive at least!

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:03 pm

ericj23 wrote:christ of course i dont hear it - well you kinda do if its been badly programmed but at least it is a reason to do it

but you know these things will just get bigger and bigger - wait till they get to every string and slide on a guitar sampled - thatll be a hardrive at least!

Oh I know. There's just got to be a point of diminishing returns. Do I REALLY want to take up 12 gigs for a drum set? BFD is bad enough. DFH2 looks worse. 35 gigs? Eesh.

Devon

Durk · Post by **Durk** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:47 pm

DevonB wrote:
ericj23 wrote:christ of course i dont hear it - well you kinda do if its been badly programmed but at least it is a reason to do it

but you know these things will just get bigger and bigger - wait till they get to every string and slide on a guitar sampled - thatll be a hardrive at least!
Oh I know. There's just got to be a point of diminishing returns. Do I REALLY want to take up 12 gigs for a drum set? BFD is bad enough. DFH2 looks worse. 35 gigs? Eesh.

Devon

Maybe they've arranged some special deals with the hard disk manufacturers

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:31 am

Devon

Oh I know. There's just got to be a point of diminishing returns. Do I REALLY want to take up 12 gigs for a drum set? BFD is bad enough. DFH2 looks worse. 35 gigs? Eesh.

There's something in this. My disks are getting pretty full these days, with less than 10% left on all three drives.

But you can bet we'll see more and more uber-gig releases as three or four dvds is the best dongle copy protection ever invented.

I think we'll all be ordering new mega disk drives before long.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:39 am

Can you imagine the pooor bugger who has to sit there and hit the snare 130 times for mic#1, then 130 times for mic#2.....

How does he know that hit #34 was just a tad louder than hit#33?

I think its all a scam, sampled from a drum machine, i mean who'd know?

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:44 am

Scarbee Imperial Drums