KVR Audio

synthmagic · Post by **synthmagic** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:29 am

Mescalito wrote:ohh no the same slow GUI haha

like DiScO197 wrote in his last post here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4464364

I won't be spending another penny on Waldorf gear !

Waldorf kit is awesome-Their hardware is fab and their softsynths are brilliant.
Waldorf products are great value for money-Sure they won't please everyone.Who can? but I think they have a good product line and good support aswell.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:39 am

spfxsynths wrote:
Mescalito wrote:ohh no the same slow GUI haha

like DiScO197 wrote in his last post here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4464364

I won't be spending another penny on Waldorf gear !
Waldorf kit is awesome-Their hardware is fab and their softsynths are brilliant.
Waldorf products are great value for money-Sure they won't please everyone.Who can? but I think they have a good product line and good support aswell.

Hi Steve,

thanks for your comment.

You are right. About the PPG Wave 3.V for example i heard no bigger problems so far, especially since v1.02 is out.

With the latest update v1.5.1 of Largo I could also not reproduce the bugs which some people here at KVR seem to talk about. The slow GUI seems to be solved too with the latest update. I also don't get any CPU spikes when i use the Largo GUI during playback. AFAIK there is a remaining bug with the Mac version but as i don't use a Mac it's difficult to reproduce this for me as a beta tester. That remaining Mac bug seems to be difficult to reproduce and even more difficult to solve. Anyway i'm sure it will be solved with the next update of the Mac version.

About the Waldorf Edition: There is a new version v1.2.9 which runs rock solid on e.g. Windows 7 32-bit and 64-bit. This version is available for customers of the Download version (see Waldorf Online Shop). If you got the old WAldorf Ediition you have to contact Waldorf support because in the new version you need a new license which is based on a serial number and not on the installation CD. With the old protection it would have been impossible to sell a Download version.

Some people also complain about bugs in the Blofeld but especially with the latest OS 1.15 it's difficult to reproduce those. Most of the time the Blofeld is running rock solid. I used it a long time during programming my sound bank. The only issues i had a few time were based on the 3rd party freeware editor which i used for programming. To be honest I would really like to see a Blofeld editor from Waldorf.

Based on this i'll do my best as a tester to make Lector as good and stable as possible. Like already mentioned i could not test the Mac version. It's also difficult for me to test the VST3 version but i could use it with Wavelab Elements 7 or with the latest VstHost from Hermann Seib.

PS:
Happy Easter to all KVR people.

Ingo

C-note · Post by **C-note** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:25 am

Love Waldorf Stuff but already have too many vocoders and it's not likely they can better the ELS Vocoder.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:29 am

C-note wrote:Love Waldorf Stuff but already have too many vocoders and it's not likely they can better the ELS Vocoder.

This was my initial reaction too. And I love vocoders. But I'm still curious to see! They really need to nail the sound this time hope they do

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:32 am

Hi everyone,

based on the pictures and the specifications on the Waldorf website (see OP) i would like to encourage the KVR members to add their ideas for additional features in Lector here.
Of course those should be reasonable and not cause the whole plugin to be rewritten...

I guess that also something like "use a different copy protection" or make a native 64-bit plugin are not things which will be done very soon.

C-note wrote:Love Waldorf Stuff but already have too many vocoders and it's not likely they can better the ELS Vocoder.

I just had a look and it's like comparing apples and oranges IMO.
Just have a close look at the specs of both and you'll see what i mean.
Lector does not replicate any specific old analog gear.

Examples: The ELS Vocoder could not use samples for the Carrier, in Lector you could also load your own samples for this when the internal synth is used. I don't know if it could use Sidechain as a Carrier. In Lector with Sidechain (with the aditional CArrier plugin in VST2 or native in VST3 or AU) you could use any external source for the Carrier. Also the filters of the internal synth are different for sure. Lector also offers the new "Whitening" filter. Also the FX section of the ELS does not have as many options as Lector.

Best wishes and happy Easter,
Ingo

GruvSyco · Post by **GruvSyco** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:23 pm

[quote="Ingonator"i would like to encourage the KVR members to add their ideas for additional features in Lector here.[/quote]
I have Largo and love it but I won't buy any more Ilok/elicenser products. Consider that a feature request.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:59 pm

199Euros ? ? ?

Talk about pricing yourself out of the market, why on earth would you pay that for a vocoder when you can get Vocodex which is pretty bloody good as a vocoder for a lot less than half.

Sorry but 199 Euros is ridiculous.

rope · Post by **rope** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:45 pm

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:46 pm

GruvSyco wrote:
Ingonator wrote:i would like to encourage the KVR members to add their ideas for additional features in Lector here.
I have Largo and love it but I won't buy any more Ilok/elicenser products. Consider that a feature request.

No comment...

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:42 pm

I really fear that this might be a commercial flop for Waldorf to do another vocoder but I really hope I will be proven wrong .. I really hope the sound will be very analog

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:20 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:I really hope the sound will be very analog

Why?

It's a Waldorf plugin so it will sound like Waldorf normally does.
WTF is all that stuff about analog vocoders. This is NOT an emulation of vintage gear except if you see the Q as vintage gear...
There is also the new "whitening" filter which produces some nice results.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:27 pm

Ingonator wrote:
It's a Waldorf plugin so it will sound like Waldorf normally does.
WTF is all that stuff about analog vocoders. This is NOT an emulation of vintage gear except if you see the Q as vintage gear...
There is also the new "whitening" filter which produces some nice results.

You're right of course .. It's just my wishful thinking but of course they do (and they should of course) Waldorf stuff like with PPG (which I really like) etc..
It's only my opinion and my taste. I just think analog vocoder sounds hasn't been nailed quite yet with software, think about the classic sounds from Roland Vp-330, Sennheiser vocoder (herbie hancock!), ems-2000

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:44 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
It's a Waldorf plugin so it will sound like Waldorf normally does.
WTF is all that stuff about analog vocoders. This is NOT an emulation of vintage gear except if you see the Q as vintage gear...
There is also the new "whitening" filter which produces some nice results.
You're right of course .. It's just my wishful thinking but of course they do (and they should of course) Waldorf stuff like with PPG (which I really like) etc..
It's only my opinion and my taste. I just think analog vocoder sounds hasn't been nailed quite yet with software, think about the classic sounds from Roland Vp-330, Sennheiser vocoder (herbie hancock!), ems-2000

I don't have experience with real analog Vocoders but IMO Lector sounds really good.

DiScO197 · Post by **DiScO197** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:58 pm

Ingonator wrote:
spfxsynths wrote:
Mescalito wrote:ohh no the same slow GUI haha

like DiScO197 wrote in his last post here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4464364

I won't be spending another penny on Waldorf gear !
Waldorf kit is awesome-Their hardware is fab and their softsynths are brilliant.
Waldorf products are great value for money-Sure they won't please everyone.Who can? but I think they have a good product line and good support aswell.
Hi Steve,

thanks for your comment.

You are right. About the PPG Wave 3.V for example i heard no bigger problems so far, especially since v1.02 is out.

With the latest update v1.5.1 of Largo I could also not reproduce the bugs which some people here at KVR seem to talk about. The slow GUI seems to be solved too with the latest update. I also don't get any CPU spikes when i use the Largo GUI during playback. AFAIK there is a remaining bug with the Mac version but as i don't use a Mac it's difficult to reproduce this for me as a beta tester. That remaining Mac bug seems to be difficult to reproduce and even more difficult to solve. Anyway i'm sure it will be solved with the next update of the Mac version.

About the Waldorf Edition: There is a new version v1.2.9 which runs rock solid on e.g. Windows 7 32-bit and 64-bit. This version is available for customers of the Download version (see Waldorf Online Shop). If you got the old WAldorf Ediition you have to contact Waldorf support because in the new version you need a new license which is based on a serial number and not on the installation CD. With the old protection it would have been impossible to sell a Download version.

Some people also complain about bugs in the Blofeld but especially with the latest OS 1.15 it's difficult to reproduce those. Most of the time the Blofeld is running rock solid. I used it a long time during programming my sound bank. The only issues i had a few time were based on the 3rd party freeware editor which i used for programming. To be honest I would really like to see a Blofeld editor from Waldorf.

Based on this i'll do my best as a tester to make Lector as good and stable as possible. Like already mentioned i could not test the Mac version. It's also difficult for me to test the VST3 version but i could use it with Wavelab Elements 7 or with the latest VstHost from Hermann Seib.

PS:
Happy Easter to all KVR people.

Ingo

Yes, Happy easter! I would be even happier if they would fix the Mac version of Largo

I've not seen this vocoder yet actually but someone did raise an interesting point about the Powercore version and upgrading / cross grading. I also bought the Powercore version but it's been out of action for a long time now (more Waldorf woes for me

). I am annoyed about Largo because they keep releasing new software and their flagship soft synth has been neglected. Very disappointing having spent the cash on it, I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I appreciate you test the Windows plugins, but I have plenty of time to beta test Mac beta versions! If only they would send me one (I can only presume one does not exist). I also need the upgrade for the Waldorf Edition, guess I need to contact support then as I have the CD auth version. Is there any mention of this on the Waldorf website though? I couldn't see anything. I wish Waldorf would take their customers a bit more seriously and offer a bit more support. Sure, they get back to me, but never a solution and just an 'it's being worked on'. I lose all faith of the truth in this when new software is announced and judging by previous communications it seems clear there is only one person working on all this stuff. No more spend, until they mend.

C.Bennett · Post by **C.Bennett** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:17 pm

DiScO197 wrote:No more spend, until they mend.

I STILL can't get any of their PPG Wave 3.V demos to install without failing on my Mac.

I'd love to demo the thing but it's the ONLY audio installer that has ever failed on me. I've tried 1.00, 1.01 and 1.02. Still no luck. Going to drop Waldorf an e-mail about this tomorrow as it's kind of ridiculous it's not been fixed in two point releases.

If they can't assemble installers to install properly in Macs it really makes me wonder how they can develop proper stable software instruments

Waldorf Lector Vocoder officially announced