Because Diva is a simulation of some well known analog hardware it's also a completely different thing then ACE.
Diva versus Ace
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
I remember only that ACE was a subset of the big thing called "Berlin Modular". Yes for beginners in the semi-modular concept. IMO ACE gets more attention and love than Urs expects
Because Diva is a simulation of some well known analog hardware it's also a completely different thing then ACE.
Because Diva is a simulation of some well known analog hardware it's also a completely different thing then ACE.
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- KVRAF
- 20834 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
FWIW, I have been using synths for over 20 years and consider myself a synth expert, yet I never mastered ACE or Zebra. I mastered DIVA before ever even using it because its architecture is so bog standard, and consequently it's now the only u-he synth I use.fas1piano wrote:but i have zebra and ACE, haven't mastered one tenth of them and bought DIVA because it's christmas. now what?! no time for reading the internetz first to know what not to buy.well i guess that's one "pling" more in u-he's company cashier and that's alway a good thing future-motivation-wise
and one more thing: i am a synth beginner and just about to accept that fact in order to get back to making music again. so if it's easier than ACE and has some stuff tyrell left out (poly AT support) then that's a big plus.
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Must be the "modular paradigm" that doesn't agree with you...Uncle E wrote:FWIW, I have been using synths for over 20 years and consider myself a synth expert, yet I never mastered ACE or Zebra. I mastered DIVA before ever even using it because its architecture is so bog standard, and consequently it's now the only u-he synth I use.
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- KVRian
- 777 posts since 13 Dec, 2011
I favor the modular paradigm *very* much. Still I really have to agree with Uncle E, for now at least. I also own ACE, but I'm afraid it will not be used very much (if at all) by me until it receives an update containing some of Diva's tech (if only the chorus...Howard wrote:Must be the "modular paradigm" that doesn't agree with you...Uncle E wrote:FWIW, I have been using synths for over 20 years and consider myself a synth expert, yet I never mastered ACE or Zebra. I mastered DIVA before ever even using it because its architecture is so bog standard, and consequently it's now the only u-he synth I use.
), which Urs has already hinted at. Diva just sounds that much better, imho. Still, (maybe paradoxically) I think I will have to side with Howard again at some point in the future. The arrival of Diva has made me happier than ever before to own a license for ACE, even though I'm probably not using it for quite a while, since it has made very clear to me that there's a good chance we will see similar quality put to use in the more modular environment that ACE (and eventually, ACE XL) provides. And a similar argument goes for other u-he plugs, e.g. Zebra2 (which I have occasionally used in its generous demo mode, but never found it worth buying): Diva has made the chance that I will also buy a Zebra2 (or maybe Zebra3, I guess?) license at some point a whole lot bigger than it has ever been before.
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
The day will come when it falls like dandruff from your eyes (German saying)Uncle E wrote:FWIW, I have been using synths for over 20 years and consider myself a synth expert, yet I never mastered ACE or Zebra. I mastered DIVA before ever even using it because its architecture is so bog standard, and consequently it's now the only u-he synth I use.fas1piano wrote:but i have zebra and ACE, haven't mastered one tenth of them and bought DIVA because it's christmas. now what?! no time for reading the internetz first to know what not to buy.
and one more thing: i am a synth beginner and just about to accept that fact in order to get back to making music again. so if it's easier than ACE and has some stuff tyrell left out (poly AT support) then that's a big plus.
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- KVRAF
- 4141 posts since 11 Aug, 2006 from Texas
What the heck are you doing around here right now...shouldn't you be off somewhere fancy and romantic celebrating your 4th wedding anniversary!?Urs wrote:The day will come when it falls like dandruff from your eyes (German saying)
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- Banned
- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
It's just preferences.
Some will just look for that classic sound with the "simple" way of getting it.
Some like the ability for more complexity, and being able to combine different, and varied methods, such as a digital sounding attack tone, over an analogue sounding square or something.
I enjoy all the U-he synths, and appreciate their different characteristics.
My preference is more toward Zebra though, as it has the least limits, in architecture, and synthesis methods one can use.
I like that I can make a 70's style funky bass with Diva, and a 80's style New Age pluck pad, or real instrument emulations in Zebra, or making up weird modulation patterns in ACE.
If you prefer one over the other, than that's okay, and that's your preference.
It's not that one is better or worse, than the other. Just different.
If a user can't "get it", that says more about the user than the synth.
Some will just look for that classic sound with the "simple" way of getting it.
Some like the ability for more complexity, and being able to combine different, and varied methods, such as a digital sounding attack tone, over an analogue sounding square or something.
I enjoy all the U-he synths, and appreciate their different characteristics.
My preference is more toward Zebra though, as it has the least limits, in architecture, and synthesis methods one can use.
I like that I can make a 70's style funky bass with Diva, and a 80's style New Age pluck pad, or real instrument emulations in Zebra, or making up weird modulation patterns in ACE.
If you prefer one over the other, than that's okay, and that's your preference.
It's not that one is better or worse, than the other. Just different.
If a user can't "get it", that says more about the user than the synth.
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- KVRAF
- 1596 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
The mapping generator in ACE allows you to round-robin (check out Howard's "Plastic Piper" patch, for example) - Just an example of what sets it apart. That for less than the price of wood-panels on a Slim Fatty!
If you love synths, I'm not sure there's an argument NOT to own ACE, even if it won't be the go-to synth Diva probably will for analog emulation, given the "instantness" Diva provides in getting to those classics sounds, and mashing them up (Roland oscs through Korg filters into Moog envelopes - whodathunk?)
Diva's the SUV with a HEMI, ACE is the exotic roadster
Diva's currently $119 US, Razor can be had for around $50 with NI's e-coupon, Madrona's Aalto does Buchla for $99...
I'm Imagining a guitarist in a world where all the Les Pauls, Strats, Getsch hollow-bodies can each be purchased for the price of a nice dinner, and delivered instantly. Unreal times for synth-lover. What the heck am I doing on this forum? Gotta go play
If you love synths, I'm not sure there's an argument NOT to own ACE, even if it won't be the go-to synth Diva probably will for analog emulation, given the "instantness" Diva provides in getting to those classics sounds, and mashing them up (Roland oscs through Korg filters into Moog envelopes - whodathunk?)
Diva's the SUV with a HEMI, ACE is the exotic roadster
Diva's currently $119 US, Razor can be had for around $50 with NI's e-coupon, Madrona's Aalto does Buchla for $99...
I'm Imagining a guitarist in a world where all the Les Pauls, Strats, Getsch hollow-bodies can each be purchased for the price of a nice dinner, and delivered instantly. Unreal times for synth-lover. What the heck am I doing on this forum? Gotta go play
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- KVRAF
- 2686 posts since 5 Feb, 2004 from Nevada City, California
ACE and Diva to me are two different animals.. ACE is lighter on CPU i think, so i will continue to use it with my laptop and possibly for stacking more tracks than Diva will do..
i think that ACE is slightly more like Razor with its digital fullness and virus-like warmth.. it has its own character whereas Diva is straight on emulation..
i would buy both products again..
i think that ACE is slightly more like Razor with its digital fullness and virus-like warmth.. it has its own character whereas Diva is straight on emulation..
i would buy both products again..
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 18 Nov, 2011 from Beyond the infinite
Just combine them all into one uber synth called AceBazilleDivaZebra.
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- KVRAF
- 26975 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Then you aren't that much of a synth expert (no offense meant)... If you were experienced with modular analog systems, you would have felt right at home with ACE.Uncle E wrote: FWIW, I have been using synths for over 20 years and consider myself a synth expert, yet I never mastered ACE or Zebra. I mastered DIVA before ever even using it because its architecture is so bog standard, and consequently it's now the only u-he synth I use.
I had no experience with modular analog and so it took me quite a while to get comfortable with ACE and Bazille. They are both certainly not bog standard subtractive, but they can also do things bog standard cannot. I especially find Bazille a treasure trove of sonic goodness that no bog standard could ever approach.
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- KVRAF
- 4867 posts since 18 Dec, 2000
I love ACE and Diva!
I had Zebra, sold it...but I'll get it back one day
dw
I had Zebra, sold it...but I'll get it back one day
dw
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- KVRAF
- 2488 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from Sydney, Australia
Lol same heredusted william wrote:I had Zebra, sold it...but I'll get it back one day
Sold Zebra but one day we might meet again. Love DIVA, my favourite Urs creation so far.Cowbells!
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- KVRAF
- 20834 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
While I can't necessarily deny that, the Moog Panel Modular I was using in college back in 1996 was about double the size of this one:Howard wrote:Must be the "modular paradigm" that doesn't agree with you...
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
... and therefore much smaller than a hardware Zebra2, about the size of Bazille. But why are we talking about size now?Uncle E wrote:While I can't necessarily deny that, the Moog Panel Modular I was using in college back in 1996 was about double the size of this one:Howard wrote:Must be the "modular paradigm" that doesn't agree with you...