Bazzille vs. Zebra... CAGE MATCH!

[pdxindy]

pdxindy,

Unfortunately, you are ignoring the simple fact that one can just as easily silence a patch on a modular with this "gee what if I try this?" idea.

You said you have stuck your nose in Bazille for a couple sessions... In other words, you have almost no experience with it. My reply to that is, if you want to learn it, it will take more time. Whether you want to is up to you. Took me quite a while because the toolset is rather different (which has nothing to do with the use of virtual patch cables)

[pdxindy]

There is nothing more frustrating than not knowing how to determine what is prewired, what is patchable and how it might break without slogging thru frustrating silence... experimenting in patches all day can lead to headaches as well as delights.

What is prewired- Nothing is prewired except Osc1 output to the VCA so it makes a sine wave

What is patchable- Any output can go to any input

You are just frustrated cause you are on the initial learning curve... keep at it and some day you will be all over Bazille like a love sick puppy! hehehe

[Timfonie]

I just can't imagine Bazzille doing a synth "vocal" like Zebra can... not without more real control.

Here are 2 of my 'vocal' type presets in Bazille

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille3.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille45.mp3

Some very vocalish sounds indeed. Well done!

[TomTwohy]

Oh, a patch thats vaguely vocal ... close but no cigar.


Make Bazzille say "Bazzille" and I'll shut up

[pdxindy]

You also complain about opening a panel or page to do something in Zebra... well I prefer that to dealing with a nest of messy cables in front of my dial settings. Cables can be fun to work with, tracing them is MUCH easier in Aalto... the cable sit in a bay and cross neatly providing less confusion.

My comment about Zebra wasn't a complaint. Just an observation of strengths and weaknesses of different ways of visually representing synth structures.

The thing is, even if the toolset of Bazille was represented like Zebra, it would still be a learning curve cause it is a different set of tools. Now that I am fairly fluid with Bazille, I quite miss the tools when I switch to Zebra.

Aalto is hardwired on the audio path. The Osc -> Gate -> Waveguide -> Filter -> Reverb/Output is fixed. So the bottom is a fixed audio structure and the top are modulators Midi/Sequencer/LFO/2 Envelopes. In that sense Aalto is more like Zebra which has audio path on left and modulators on right.

Bazille is much more flexible. Bazille, you can take the output of the filter and put it back into itself or use the sequencer as a sound source or an Oscillator as an LFO.

btw... just in case you do not know, you can change the cables in Bazille to slim and see through

[pdxindy]

Oh, a patch thats vaguely vocal ... close but no cigar.


Make Bazzille say "Bazzille" and I'll shut up

Let's hear you make Zebra say Bazille... then I will try and duplicate it


Another Bazille vocal sound...

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille51.mp3

[hakey]

Make Bazzille say "Bazzille" and I'll shut up

I know from experience that getting Zebra to talk is far from easy.

Invest a fraction of that effort and you could easily learn Bazille's ins-and-outs.

[justin3am]

No point in comparing two different synths.
If you don't like the patch cords approach to sound design, no one is forcing you to use it.

When it comes to soft synths, I use very little other than Bazille and Zebra these days but my approach to these synths is very different. Funny enough, I structured my analog modular in a very similar way to Bazille, so that I can use the software to prototype patches.

I can acknowledge that Bazille has a steep learning curve for those who don't have experience with modular synths but just like any synth, you can overcome that curve with practice and experimentation. If you have any questions or reach any dead ends, you can always ask. pdxindy, bronto scorpio and many other experienced users are always willing to help.

[Sendy]

Oh, a patch thats vaguely vocal ... close but no cigar.


Make Bazzille say "Bazzille" and I'll shut up

Exactly. And no using external programs

EDIT: Ok, I quoted the wrong person. But you get what I mean

[j79]

I like synths that will do weird stuff easily...90% of the time i use either bazille or FM8. Audiodamages Phosphor gets use every now and then, so does Schwas Olga.

I have a lot of synths i virtually never use, including Absynth and Virus Powercore.

Whatever gets you where you want to go. Even if you could pursuade Zebra to talk easier than Bazille, does it really matter? Bazille just feels like its a synth built for me. I dont own Zebra, and will probably not buy it since i am more or less permanently broke. And i dont really feel like i need it however good it might be...but when Bazille grows up and gets released, ill buy it right away, cause i need it...simple as that.

[secretkillerofnames]

I like synths that will do weird stuff easily...90% of the time i use either bazille or FM8. Audiodamages Phosphor gets use every now and then, so does Schwas Olga.

Hey thanks for introducing me to Olga. Can I recommend you try Aalto some time? It does weird VERY easily.

[j79]

No problem...but i should probably add that Olga is not that weird...

Its the one i usually go to if i want good old fashioned subtractive synthesis...its "just" a good sounding VA. It can get rowdy though, and in a good way

Ill check Aalto out sometime, thanks.

[secretkillerofnames]

Olga seems like it has pretty nice overdrive and filter self-oscillation.

[Sendy]

I loved the philosophy of Olga but always found the sound too "blatty".

[TomTwohy]

I've looked at the "Zebra" patch... it does not frighten me... easy to tell whats going on there (MSEG and custom waveforms).

I will attempt a Zebra "Bazzille" vocal patch later as I was released from the hospital just yesterday and feel fairly awful today.

What does a quantized, modulated envelope sound like? I may do that as well (if possible).

>>>>>

Hey Urs, I can't believe I missed your post on the first page...

Without a doubt Zebra is an amazing synth, very modern and full of new ideas... I just want MORE stuff in my fave synth!

Yes I can buy a bunch of plugins like a drunk DJ with a credit card, but I prefer mastering a synth fully to owning a bunch and just grabbing whatever is in the patch folder.

I saw one DJ on You Tube with 200 synths in his folder, a synth-merchants dream to be sure... but no repeat business if they don't try to learn them and discover the full power of each tool (upgrading 200 synths? psssh). Graphic tools help me understand what Zebra is up to under the hood better than arcane patching.

Why not give some of whats good about either synth and make a total mind-blower?

I'm not denying the need for more synths, but at some point... you have to either build easy-to-use gimmicky junk OR make an amazing product that EVERYONE can't live without.

Just to be sure you understand, the whole point of this is to encourage you to keep stretching the boundaries of computer music (as you already have) and pursue any and all methods to keep making these fine tools.

**ducks to avoid a folding chair**