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ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:29 pm

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Funkybot's Evil Twin · Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:56 pm

TheoM wrote:I said somewhere else not too long ago that i thought the relab was the lushest, finest sounding reverb plugin available on the market today. I do mean that.. But sometimes we just don't click with something when "using" it. I spent every day of my demo of course, and it's just a personal thing.. i never felt comfortable with it. I guess that happens sometimes when someone sticks 100% to the hardware gui. The NI i felt comfortable with almost instantaneously, and found it still sounded wonderful enough even though the relab was maybe 10% better.

Same here. I thought it sounded phenomenal for "that sound," but just couldn't click with it. VVV always got me in the ballpark for that sound, and I much preferred the interface. VVV also has a wider range of sounds. LX-480 is fantastic, but between the interface and the price, it just seemed like too slutty a purchase for me.

Fred_Abstract · Post by **Fred_Abstract** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:08 pm

interface for fxs personnaly i don't really care..i like to have as much settings as possible to craft the sound, vintage verb sound great but not much setting make it a bit too much reverb for "dummies" to me (i m far from reverb expert but the most control on the sound i can get is welcom )

it s a priority for plugins companies to make easy interface to sell more these days, personaly i don't mind complicated fxs with lot of settings to craft the sound, it need more time to invest to get the best out of it but it can pay off .

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:42 am

I closed my eyes and opened them exactly at the first half dozen splice points. I could hear the changes on my k702.

They are extremely close though, I wouldn't be able to tell in a mix.

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:41 am

audiosabre wrote:I closed my eyes and opened them exactly at the first half dozen splice points. I could hear the changes on my k702.

These tests use the exact same sounds and settings, but switch locations and numbers have changed. In the uploaded video the Lexicon 480L is always first - this doesn't necessary have to be the case for these tests.

Where are the switch locations (if any)?

www.relab.dk/downloads/sound/AcGuitar.wav
www.relab.dk/downloads/sound/Drumbus.wav

If you can tell us the splice points, then we'll send you the product including an iLok 2 key.

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:53 am

Cool

Didn't mean to sound rude or insult your hard work.

But yeah, I have nothing to lose, right? The Youtube example wasn't exactly a fair "test".

edit: Off the bat I'm going to say there are at least 2 splices in the drum example. The acoustic guitar is way more difficult. I need more gain in these headphones, so I'll take it to the studio

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:57 am

audiosabre wrote:But yeah, I have nothing to lose, right?

Nope - you deserve the product if you can pinpoint the switch locations.

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:10 pm

I've convinced myself I hear a tonal change in the drumbus between approx 19-27 seconds. It's ether during or just after the Tom fill thing @ 18 sec.

I can't hear any changes with the acoustic guitar. I'm going to call it quits and say there are none, or rather I can't hear any. If there are, you definitely fooled me

I wouldn't give away the answer, just in case anyone else wants a go. Just tell me I'm wrong. Definitely a lot harder when you're not expecting the changes.

I'm still convinced there is a difference in tone and colour, and the tail. Whether there is or not, I'm not entirely sure. The thing is, I'm expecting there to be a difference, as with 99% of these hardware vs emulation tests.

Thanks, I enjoyed having a go. That'll show me to run my mouth

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:54 pm

audiosabre wrote:I've convinced myself I hear a tonal change in the drumbus between approx 19-27 seconds. It's ether during or just after the Tom fill thing @ 18 sec.

People have also tried on GS without any succes. The above is not correct.

The Lexicon 480L and the plugin are present in both tests.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:07 pm

Excellent work on this product Martin! It really does sound wonderful!

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:14 pm

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audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:14 pm

Warp69 wrote:People have also tried on GS without any succes. The above is not correct.

The Lexicon 480L and the plugin are present in both tests.

Placebos are strange things. Excellent work!

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:29 pm

IIRC, the most recent KEYS magazine has a comparision running for current released Lexicon emulations.

Someone read that article by chance? I only browsed through the index, but didn't get a copy of the mag. Maybe this is adding to this particular debate?

johnnyvn · Post by **johnnyvn** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:20 pm

kmonkey wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Certainly sounds the same to me. I'd be interested to hear a test like this against NI's RC 48.
You don't have to wait. I tested both. It's a no contest really. RC 48 is TOTALY different sounding to LX480 Complete. Very nice but not the same at all. Entirely different reverb imho. But it is usable all the way.

Can you elaborate on how the RC48 sounds entirely different from the LX480, especially given that they are both supposed to accurately replicate the same piece of hardware? I'm hoping to download the demo of the RC48 and put it up against the real thing and the LX480.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:48 pm

johnnyvn wrote:
kmonkey wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Certainly sounds the same to me. I'd be interested to hear a test like this against NI's RC 48.
You don't have to wait. I tested both. It's a no contest really. RC 48 is TOTALY different sounding to LX480 Complete. Very nice but not the same at all. Entirely different reverb imho. But it is usable all the way.
Can you elaborate on how the RC48 sounds entirely different from the LX480, especially given that they are both supposed to accurately replicate the same piece of hardware? I'm hoping to download the demo of the RC48 and put it up against the real thing and the LX480.

LX480 is the only processor that is meant to, and which accurately replicates / recreates reverbs from Lexicon's 480. Meaning: they are identical. There is no "inspired by" in here or any vague definition of "emulation" - the output from the algorithms in LX480 is identical to that from the original algorithms. That was the main goal from the start. You can't "null" samples from the software and the hardware, because these are dynamic effects with various constantly "modulating" (internal as well as user-adjustable) parameters, but all those parameters are produced bit-identically, hence everyone's inability to distinguish between the original and the software.

RC48 is yet another "inspired by" product. Considering the hugely painstaking efforts Martin has gone through to produce true replications of the 480L reverbs, a kind of effort that no one has ever made before and may never make again in the foreseeable future, it's not surprising why everyone else's "inspired by" reverbs range from "nothing like it" to "it reminds me of it" (at best). Differences include the actual "space" represented by the reverbs (which can vary greatly between products, though less so between low quality ones), the "texture" as in balance between fragments that make up the sound and the way diffusion sounds (or doesn't), the envelopes and development of the parameters that make up the reverb through time, and so on. All the silly explanations I can write are mostly pointless, since the sound speaks for itself much better.

(edit: 480L, not L480)

Relab LX480 A/B test versus Lexicon 480L. Most impressive hardware vs plugin test ever? You bet!