Satin before / after

[Urs]

Add quick tape speed:ups (fast forward with playback) and slowdowns to Satin and I'm approaching nirvana.

Hmmmmmmmm... (taking notes)

[Bronto Scorpio]

It's already possible to get some really cool tape speed up and slow down effects using the delay mode by the way

Cheers
Dennis

[djanthonyw]

But I can clearly hear that the processed files are way too overheated, almost squashed (especially the ReelBus version). And of course, their RMS should match the uncompressed file for a fair comparison.

Even though it wouldn't be used in most cases, would you say that overheated sound can be done with Satin?

[Ch00rD]

Add quick tape speed:ups (fast forward with playback) and slowdowns to Satin and I'm approaching nirvana.

Hmmmmmmmm... (taking notes)

A gentle reminder, just in case my kind request to Sascha isn't already noted somewhere: I'd really like some kind of (MIDI) clock sync function for Satin's delay mode, ideally combined with a relative offset for fine-tuning slightly off the clock, to do Echoplex / Space Echo type of effects, but without some of the hassle of manual syncing, especially with tempo changes. I love the clock-synced flanger mode, btw!

Another suggestion, if feasible at all: a single overview window showing meters etc. for each (linked) instance.

FWIW: The excellent demonstration at Musikmesse (thanks again, Sascha!) gave me a good impression of the features and GUI, but I really need to be able to use it with more familiar source material and less ambient noise before I can really get a good idea of its sonic qualities. Tape is indeed quite a bit more subtle than, say, some new oscillator types in a softsynth. Looking forward to demo it more extensively!

[rod_zero]

Is Satin designed more for a more "creative" use of saturation as Saturn? instead of subtle "console emulation warmth"?

[Urs]

But I can clearly hear that the processed files are way too overheated, almost squashed (especially the ReelBus version). And of course, their RMS should match the uncompressed file for a fair comparison.

Even though it wouldn't be used in most cases, would you say that overheated sound can be done with Satin?

You can crush your material if you so wish

[Urs]

Is Satin designed more for a more "creative" use of saturation as Saturn? instead of subtle "console emulation warmth"?

It's designed to cover tape in most of its varieties. It does "warmth" very well, just like it does "sound".

Tape machines weren't built with a preference either. It depends on the way they're used. No manufacturer ever said "our tape is built for squashing drums". If anything, they said "our tape is built for perfect reproduction", which - as we all know now - isn't necessarily preferrable.

- Urs

[Ch00rD]

Is Satin designed more for a more "creative" use of saturation as Saturn? instead of subtle "console emulation warmth"?

It's designed to cover tape in most of its varieties. It does "warmth" very well, just like it does "sound".

Tape machines weren't built with a preference either. It depends on the way they're used. No manufacturer ever said "our tape is built for squashing drums". If anything, they said "our tape is built for perfect reproduction", which - as we all know now - isn't necessarily preferrable.

- Urs

Good point!

Perhaps somewhat paradoxically, the more general point here is that you shouldn't take anything a manufacturer / vendor tells you about the way his product is supposed to be used for granted.

[3ee]

But I can clearly hear that the processed files are way too overheated, almost squashed (especially the ReelBus version).

+1
My mistake also when I was starting to use TB ReelBus

Btw, ReelBus has a tape new mode that seems unannounced, just discovered it v 2.8.6
"Glue Tape" which features a heavy dose of compression.

[Howard]

Perhaps somewhat paradoxically, the more general point here is that you shouldn't take anything a manufacturer / vendor tells you about the way his product is supposed to be used for granted.

Pah! The Hammond C3 should be only used in church, the TB303 should only be used as an automatic bassist... and the electric guitar should NOT distort

[Ch00rD]

Perhaps somewhat paradoxically, the more general point here is that you shouldn't take anything a manufacturer / vendor tells you about the way his product is supposed to be used for granted.

Pah! The Hammond C3 should be only used in church, the TB303 should only be used as an automatic bassist... and the electric guitar should NOT distort

You should also sit down when playing a guitar, one leg crossed over the other - and use a bow to play the bass properly. And of course, never ever touch vinyl or tape with your fingers while playing.

[Fritze]

Steven and Quinto checked out Satin at our booth extensively and both said that it sounds really good. Satin does the whole she bang plus some. From glue to crush with lotsa different flavours. It is a plugin that needs to be learned and probably asks for a good bunch of presets for a good starting point. I learned to use it to some extend while mixing the 3 demo tunes we had at Messe and there are lots of cool things that I didn't check out yet (like the compander treble compression trick and such). So it's no marketing gag that Urs labeled Satin as tape and beyond. I really like it.

[AnalogGuy1]

I'm late onto the creative music scene, and while I understand the EQ, delay, and compressor aspects of a tape emu, I'm the first to admit I don't understand its full capabilities. Can anyone tell me if it is suitable, for instance, to reproduce the famous underwater echo sound of the EP in The Beatles "Birthday" that's especially obvious when naked (the sound, not the listener) in the outro?

[tehlord]

Without a mojo button I'm not buying it.

[Burillo]

Steven and Quinto checked out Satin at our booth extensively and both said that it sounds really good. Satin does the whole she bang plus some. From glue to crush with lotsa different flavours. It is a plugin that needs to be learned and probably asks for a good bunch of presets for a good starting point. I learned to use it to some extend while mixing the 3 demo tunes we had at Messe and there are lots of cool things that I didn't check out yet (like the compander treble compression trick and such). So it's no marketing gag that Urs labeled Satin as tape and beyond. I really like it.

is that something similar to SKNote's "B-EXP" knob on Roundtone?