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- 12368 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
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this is true and emphatic.. my capacity for achievement here (careful wording) is partially a function of knowledge and partially a function of my vocabulary of techniques to approach what my knowledge doesn't cover..
like all developers the astute reader will see this as informative, demonstrative, and equally to exhibit the nature of development. at every stage, one must judge the sufficiency of the quality against other criteria.
what i'd most like to convey is that a development is a human product versus the naive consumer perspective that a development is an encapsulation of objective perfection. take that when you go shopping folks, not just at my place
this thread is really only a lifeline for my banana, well, apart from a tangible example of the crass kind of marketplace manipulation people engage in. if i was really good at it, i'd make people want it before they knew what it was (the way ****'s manual goes on for three pages before it tells you what the product does). i'm hoping i'm better at disillusoning consumer aspirations (apart from the bit about getting a larger container for my banana).
(btw fred iou and a few other people a copy of adze.. been lazy about sending it..)
this is true and emphatic.. my capacity for achievement here (careful wording) is partially a function of knowledge and partially a function of my vocabulary of techniques to approach what my knowledge doesn't cover..
like all developers the astute reader will see this as informative, demonstrative, and equally to exhibit the nature of development. at every stage, one must judge the sufficiency of the quality against other criteria.
what i'd most like to convey is that a development is a human product versus the naive consumer perspective that a development is an encapsulation of objective perfection. take that when you go shopping folks, not just at my place
this thread is really only a lifeline for my banana, well, apart from a tangible example of the crass kind of marketplace manipulation people engage in. if i was really good at it, i'd make people want it before they knew what it was (the way ****'s manual goes on for three pages before it tells you what the product does). i'm hoping i'm better at disillusoning consumer aspirations (apart from the bit about getting a larger container for my banana).
(btw fred iou and a few other people a copy of adze.. been lazy about sending it..)
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
- KVRian
- 650 posts since 9 Jun, 2004 from Somewhere warm and moist in France
Dear Rurik,
No rush, I am patient and already have more that I will ever be able to fully exploit thanks to your generosity.
No rush, I am patient and already have more that I will ever be able to fully exploit thanks to your generosity.
music located at http://luridcactus.com/MusicPage.html
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- 12368 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
aah, i've spent 20 odd hours now working on this "comparable to white noise" noise algorithm..
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Very interested to see where this one is going. Look forward to hearing some sounds.
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http://www.xoxos.net/temp/shaker.mp3
demonstrating the 3 "grain" parameters for the shaker, which has ~"forward" and "backward" shake triggers. file is expertly clipped, you can hear the texture tho it's missing a highpass here.
noise/variable instruments have "seed" and "vary" parameters allowing crossfade between a static repeat and as much variation as wanted, which is nice for claps and snares, where peoples' ears are used to samples.
when i released radian, i ran a ~12 page thread during development with many people enthusiastic over the sound demos. by the time it came to release, all of these people vanished, so there won't be any kicks, snares, claps or hats until it's time to channel interest into expenditure my banana tree needs a $50 pot and $20 odd worth of soil, and i've been working on vst for months now expressly for the purpose of providing this. i'm up to about $43 now but will have to spend $12 on food in the next week or so. i used to be a reasonable guy, but now i have a banana to take care of
demonstrating the 3 "grain" parameters for the shaker, which has ~"forward" and "backward" shake triggers. file is expertly clipped, you can hear the texture tho it's missing a highpass here.
noise/variable instruments have "seed" and "vary" parameters allowing crossfade between a static repeat and as much variation as wanted, which is nice for claps and snares, where peoples' ears are used to samples.
when i released radian, i ran a ~12 page thread during development with many people enthusiastic over the sound demos. by the time it came to release, all of these people vanished, so there won't be any kicks, snares, claps or hats until it's time to channel interest into expenditure my banana tree needs a $50 pot and $20 odd worth of soil, and i've been working on vst for months now expressly for the purpose of providing this. i'm up to about $43 now but will have to spend $12 on food in the next week or so. i used to be a reasonable guy, but now i have a banana to take care of
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Sounding very tasty indeed! Hopefully this one will be the key to your banana's upkeep. I'll be upgrading my recently acquired 'all' bundle with this bad boy fo sho.
- KVRAF
- 4760 posts since 26 Apr, 2002 from the bogely factory
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toms..
5 algos 606 and 808 (toms and congas) are cake. 909..
if you drop a 909 tom into a sonogram you'll see the lowest osc (~100Hz) frequency is modulated ~30-35 Hz, as is the upper osc. service manual indicates no such thing... also indicates that osc 2 has no pitch envelope whereas it certainly does when viewed on a sonogram. if you look at the waveform, there's no way to produce that by summing sines. et c...
so i took the 909 toms as far as i could (lows, not mids), and finished them by modeling the remainder after some real toms.. i'm satisfied that my deficits in emulation demanded a moment of actual "creativity"
http://www.xoxos.net/temp/tom_demo.mp3
the "click" attack has been reduced slightly since this was recorded, and a fixed noise seed is used here, so the attacks sound the same.
5 algos 606 and 808 (toms and congas) are cake. 909..
if you drop a 909 tom into a sonogram you'll see the lowest osc (~100Hz) frequency is modulated ~30-35 Hz, as is the upper osc. service manual indicates no such thing... also indicates that osc 2 has no pitch envelope whereas it certainly does when viewed on a sonogram. if you look at the waveform, there's no way to produce that by summing sines. et c...
so i took the 909 toms as far as i could (lows, not mids), and finished them by modeling the remainder after some real toms.. i'm satisfied that my deficits in emulation demanded a moment of actual "creativity"
http://www.xoxos.net/temp/tom_demo.mp3
the "click" attack has been reduced slightly since this was recorded, and a fixed noise seed is used here, so the attacks sound the same.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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posting for future searches.. started the 808 rim last moment yesterday which is roland's mysterious "representative swing type vca".
best insight on this was by plutonique9 12 years ago.. i'll verify my idea later today, but before i decide not to share it.. i agree: (1)clip below dc0 (2) highpass..
however: view rimshot, clipper is obviously asymmetric and *dynamic*
moreover, as p9 stated, this naive emulation doesn't account for those wacky leading spikes.
i will offer this (and intend to verify it later..) i believe this naive model may well constitute the *imaginary* component of the signal
more unverified information on the internet
best insight on this was by plutonique9 12 years ago.. i'll verify my idea later today, but before i decide not to share it.. i agree: (1)clip below dc0 (2) highpass..
however: view rimshot, clipper is obviously asymmetric and *dynamic*
moreover, as p9 stated, this naive emulation doesn't account for those wacky leading spikes.
i will offer this (and intend to verify it later..) i believe this naive model may well constitute the *imaginary* component of the signal
more unverified information on the internet
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Sounding great. Been getting a lot of use out of Swish recently, so the idea of a fully fledged Xoxos 'classic' drum machine is very exciting indeed.
- KVRian
- 1093 posts since 9 Apr, 2012
Wow, I haven't found that much time in experimenting with Swish. Would you be so kind and explain for what kind of sound you are using it?cron wrote:Sounding great. Been getting a lot of use out of Swish recently, so the idea of a fully fledged Xoxos 'classic' drum machine is very exciting indeed.
Would be great.
@xoxos: as always nice in-depth information from your researches. I appreciate it. And I am still working on my clap of luxury soundbank. Unfortunately I have way too much fun with Modal & Radian right now. Maybe there will be some small patchbanks for both off them in near future too, who kows.
Regards
Sebastian
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- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
It's the noise sweeps for me. Well, the 'swishing' sounds of its name I guess. Little up-down swishes about a quarter of a second in length, used as percussion. They make great counterpoint to more simplistic drum patterns/sounds (I'm thinking the minimal 808 patterns/sounds which are all the rage these days). Ultra simple, yet abrasive percussion sounds seem to be everywhere in dance music at the moment and Swish fits the bill nicely for a lot of these sounds. There are a surprising number of noise 'flavours' available by changing the seed value too, another thing I've enjoyed while using Swish that I don't get when using samples for drums (as I usually do).Halma wrote:Wow, I haven't found that much time in experimenting with Swish. Would you be so kind and explain for what kind of sound you are using it?cron wrote:Sounding great. Been getting a lot of use out of Swish recently, so the idea of a fully fledged Xoxos 'classic' drum machine is very exciting indeed.
Would be great.
- KVRian
- 1093 posts since 9 Apr, 2012
Hey man,cron wrote:...
It's the noise sweeps for me. Well, the 'swishing' sounds of its name I guess. Little up-down swishes about a quarter of a second in length, used as percussion. They make great counterpoint to more simplistic drum patterns/sounds (I'm thinking the minimal 808 patterns/sounds which are all the rage these days). Ultra simple, yet abrasive percussion sounds seem to be everywhere in dance music at the moment and Swish fits the bill nicely for a lot of these sounds. There are a surprising number of noise 'flavours' available by changing the seed value too, another thing I've enjoyed while using Swish that I don't get when using samples for drums (as I usually do).
thanks for that inspiration. Top notch.
I am such an idiot. You know what? I read your post once and thought about it for a few minutes. I used a small fx from KONG (Reason) regulary for years. It produced only noise and up/down "pitches" in different lengths. I used it a lot to fatten up all kind of drumsounds( like the reverb/backing sound in clap of luxury). From subtle to obvious.
Damn, I guess I must have been blind. Did not thought about the obvious stuff.
I believe, if you work the whole day with physical modelling, wiered subtractive synthesis etc. chances are good in becomng blind for such "simple" tasks.
Regards
Sebastian
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- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Thanks for the Clap Of Luxury tip. Didn't even know that one existed until just now. SO many useful plugs in Xoxos' back catalogue. Gotta try em all!
Thank you Xoxos for sharing your ideas and your generosity
Thank you Xoxos for sharing your ideas and your generosity
- KVRian
- 1093 posts since 9 Apr, 2012
COL is uber dope. Be careful when using some special settings like a 4-pole bp-peak filter with lots of resonance. That one can hurt a lot even on very low (edit:amp aka volume) settings. I won't try that stuff on headphone. Could be very dangerous even with a Brickwall Limiter (a must for this device) in the end of the chain.cron wrote:Thanks for the Clap Of Luxury tip. Didn't even know that one existed until just now. SO many useful plugs in Xoxos' back catalogue. Gotta try em all!
Thank you Xoxos for sharing your ideas and your generosity
One thing I have learned about rurik's vsts: you don't know what to expect and that is pretty cool and pretty dangerous. But heck, only the brave survive.
LP&S
Sebastian