U-HE Hive

[Urs]

Too many questions

Today's bit:

No quality settings (unless sound design / beta testing proves the requirement).

After analysis of a gazillion presets for S... we figure that 6 Mod-Matrices with optional via-source and two targets each are plenty. If more are desired we need to tab the interface. Mind you, LFOs and Envelopes have dedicated targets in the osc and filter sections already - there's a lot of modulation possible without using any modulation matrix, e.g. filters have an env depth knob and envelopes have a velocity parameter.

Effects can be reordered and their parameters are available in the ModMatrix

No voice stacking, but up to 64 sawtooth oscillators per voice. On my Mac Pro Hive can do 5000 sawtooth oscillators - per core. That's more than twice as much as S, and about 20% more than the most CPU-efficient synth I've demoed. We're contemplating to allow for 32 or even 64 voice polyphony (not sure if our voice management code needs tweaking)

There's more bits and even some fairly unique stuff. I'm still working on it, hence I can't really speak out too much. Can't wait to share though

[mutantdog]

I have to say, my first thoughts were along the lines of "i don't really need another synth like this", i'm gradually becoming more intrigued though. I've already effectively replaced Sylenth with Spire, so i suppose its gonna be down to whether this complements that. Lower CPU will be nice but the price will play a big part too.

[hakey]

No voice stacking, but up to 64 sawtooth oscillators per voice.

Now that is a real shame.

Many of my favourite patches in Diva, Tyrell, ACE and even Synth1 use voice stacking for various effects - big chords, a staple for house and techno, being only the most obvious.

If the saws within a supersaw could be tuned to intervals (fourths, fifths, sevenths major and minor triads etc) that might get some of the way there...

Silly question - is the oscillator purely a superSAW, no supersine/triangle/pulse?

[Urs]

No voice stacking, but up to 64 sawtooth oscillators per voice.

Now that's a real shame!

Many of my favourite patches in Diva, Tyrell, ACE and even Synth1 use voice stacking for various effects - big chords, a staple for house and techno, being only the most obvious.

If a supersaw could be tuned to intervals (fourths, fifths, sevenths major and minor triads etc) that might get some of the way there...

Well, the 4 oscillators can be tuned individually. That should cover most bases...

[hakey]

Well, the 4 oscillators can be tuned individually. That should cover most bases...

It doesn't get you, for example, the major and minor ninths heard in a lot of house tracks.

And not having voice stacking also rules neat tricks such as using stack index to give a different modulation depth for each voice.

I mean, even lowly Synth1 has voice stacking!

[eXode]

For what it's worth, Spire and DUNE 2 allows you to tune the stacked waveforms to various chords.

[solidtrax]

Can't wait to make presets for it!

[Aiynzahev]

Well, the 4 oscillators can be tuned individually. That should cover most bases...

It doesn't get you, for example, the major and minor ninths heard in a lot of house tracks.

And not having voice stacking also rules neat tricks such as using stack index to give a different modulation depth for each voice.

I mean, even lowly Synth1 has voice stacking!

Sorry, I'm getting confused here.

We have oscillator number and unison/voice stacking, so called because the entire voice is duplicated.

With Sylenth1 only the oscillators are stacked/increased. There is no overall unison. So for example many oscillators are routed into the filter, but there is only one filter. Unison on the other hand would duplicate the filters also.

I like to have both ideally.

[3ee]

Maybe a good idea to hold some -detailed- questions till the beta version is out, I'm sure it will answer your questions or you can ask more precisely...

[GeorgeZ]

No voice stacking, but up to 64 sawtooth oscillators per voice.

Now that's a real shame!

Many of my favourite patches in Diva, Tyrell, ACE and even Synth1 use voice stacking for various effects - big chords, a staple for house and techno, being only the most obvious.

If a supersaw could be tuned to intervals (fourths, fifths, sevenths major and minor triads etc) that might get some of the way there...

Well, the 4 oscillators can be tuned individually. That should cover most bases...

... and leads.

[ghettosynth]

Well, the 4 oscillators can be tuned individually. That should cover most bases...

... and leads.

Doesn't sound like a good choice for acid though.

[Urs]

Well, I think that synths that do super saw (fake unison) as well as voice stacking (true unison) are often considered CPU hogs. There'll always be people who crank up both and wonder why. Sylenth is also Sylenth because it only does one of the two. Sylenth can't kill the CPU by surprise.

While it would be as easy as editing a line of code to add voice stacking, I'd much rather explore how far we can go without it. My intention with this was all about figuring the most efficient super saw algorithm. Voice stacking would take away from this.

[Urs]

Well, the 4 oscillators can be tuned individually. That should cover most bases...

... and leads.

Doesn't sound like a good choice for acid though.

[KingTuck]

Very excited to give this synth a go .

[Aiynzahev]

Well, I think that synths that do super saw (fake unison) as well as voice stacking (true unison) are often considered CPU hogs. There'll always be people who crank up both and wonder why. Sylenth is also Sylenth because it only does one of the two. Sylenth can't kill the CPU by surprise.

While it would be as easy as editing a line of code to add voice stacking, I'd much rather explore how far we can go without it. My intention with this was all about figuring the most efficient super saw algorithm. Voice stacking would take away from this.

Honestly I think this is a good idea for this synth. It's true processors have gotten more powerful, but I am still struggling to keep sessions going because new plugins take a lot more power with oversampling etc. So a really good but efficient synth for all the bread and butter stuff is still a need here.

I also hope it will have some kind of good overdrive characteristics like ACE. I think ACE sounds different from your other synths when it comes to overdrive and distortion, and it's something I rarely find in other synths. But I know that takes up CPU too.

I haven't seen or heard it yet but this sounds like a really good idea.

I do hope you get rid of the hexagon display though..