Well? Falcon vs. Omnisphere 2

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wagtunes wrote:Marla, this may be the toughest synth comparison I've ever had to do.

In this case, Omni 2 vs Falcon, you're splitting hairs, literally.
I think you're overthinking it Wag, in broad strokes they really are VERY different, aren't they? Mostly in your "Sound Possibilities" department.

As you say, Omni's Preset library blows Falcon's away, and of all Omni's features, the library is the main one. You couldn't even stick a sample into it or have more than 4 wave shapes until version 2.0, and sampling wise, pretty much *all* you can do now is stick a sample into it. You can't even do simple things like set loop points on the existing samples in the library which would be SO useful to expand the available palette and make the library SO much more useful.

Play this drinking game: read Omnisphere marketing literature and forum posts for one hour, and take a shot every time the word "deep" is used to describe the sound shaping capabilities. OK, now that you're back from the hospital after having your stomach pumped - it seems like they REALLY don't like the rompler tag, doesn't it? A little close to the bone, maybe? I *love* Omnisphere, don't get me wrong - it's fun and often rewarding 'zoom'ing into the oscillator/mod/filter screens and doing something interesting with a sound from the library. But that's what it is. A fantastic sandbox. A fantastic sandbox that you can, ummm... upload a sample into... but basically you play with the toys they give you. Which are, by all means, some really cool toys.

With Falcon however, UVI has obviously attempted to do everything possible to *completely* hand over the reigns to users and pro designers that want to build massive patches and sample libraries. Flexibility wise, these 2 synths have nothing to do with eachother. Falcon seems much more like a cross between Reaktor and Kontakt than ANYTHING to do with Omnisphere. Flexible macros, scripting, and much more choice and detailed control over sound sources.

Omnisphere is a 'deep synth' (SHOT! ;) ) with a very big and interesting library (though it's a bit short on staples). It's a fantastic instrument, and it really does *feel* like a playground for sounds.

Falcon is looking like a bonafide beast - an actual platform. It's less about being a great instrument and more about making your own instruments. Remember when Omni 2 was announced and we were all imagining hundreds of crazy libraries? Never materialized. Pro designers can't really do that much with it because the implementation doesn't let you get under the hood. But with Falcon, if you want to spend the time to learn it and RTFM and configure macros and sample layouts, you will be able to do basically whatever you want. Like - WHATEVER you want. Expect crazy libraries for real this time, as pro sound designers will be all over this.

So, so much for splitting hairs - I think it's safe to chuck them into 2 different genres altogether, haha :)

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From the first sound I ever heard of omnisphere 1 I feel in love..first sound I heard of omnisphere 2
I fell in love again.

I am alas not hearing the same from what I have heard in the Falcon either on the UVI page or some of the samples I have heard up here.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
rsp
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zvenx wrote:From the first sound I ever heard of omnisphere 1 I feel in love..first sound I heard of omnisphere 2
I fell in love again.

I am alas not hearing the same from what I have heard in the Falcon either on the UVI page or some of the samples I have heard up here.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
rsp
Omnisphere is all about the samples and the presets. Falcon is more about the flexible synth architecture, and as such, it may be left up to you to create the sound you love. It can definitely do that.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.

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deastman wrote:
zvenx wrote:From the first sound I ever heard of omnisphere 1 I feel in love..first sound I heard of omnisphere 2
I fell in love again.

I am alas not hearing the same from what I have heard in the Falcon either on the UVI page or some of the samples I have heard up here.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
rsp
Omnisphere is all about the samples and the presets. Falcon is more about the flexible synth architecture, and as such, it may be left up to you to create the sound you love. It can definitely do that.
There is no question that Omnisphere does a lot of the work for you and that it is "easier" to get the sounds you want out of it. However, from what I am hearing from my working with Falcon to this point (have made all of 5 patches which have taken me about 5 hours) you can get a lot more out of it IF you are willing to put in the work.

Falcon is less of a "plug it in and turn it on" synth than Omnisphere is unless you just stick to presets. If you want to make your own sounds, Falcon takes tons more work.

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So omni is a rompler. :party:
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But I choose a synth primarily by how it sounds inspire me.....way more than its flexibility.
It is why I was not a big a fan of Alchemy as many here, or as the Kurzeweil VAST engine.
I admire their flexibility but the sound of the engine didn't inspire me that much.
Just my 2 cents..
rsp
sound sculptist

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rod_zero wrote:So omni is a rompler. :party:
Omni is the one rompler to rule them all.
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deastman wrote:
rod_zero wrote:So omni is a rompler. :party:
Omni is the one rompler to rule them all.
:tu:

Haha, they kind of fixed that with the hundreds of waveforms and additions to the 'Oscillator Zoom', but for me it really is kind of the one rompler to rule them all.

Personally if I want to go looking for something that I'm not quite sure what it is, or noodling around for inspiration, Omnisphere is probably my main go-to. I have at least 1 instance of Omnisphere on almost every song of mine.

But if I've got a particular sound in my head, I'll generally avoid it - there are better, faster tools without all the submenus, and finding out "You just can't do that" about a third of the time.

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Falcon can be used as a Standalone app., or as a Plug-In. Omnisphere 2 runs only as a Plug-In.

Both are great tools.

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Since the OP said that money was really no option, he should get both. Falcon is more powerful, but right now Omnisphere 2 is the clear winner in the preset department by far. I literally could use only Omni 2 for the rest of my life and by satisfied. I am REALLY loving Falcon, but the factory presets do not cover much ground in comparison to Omni 2's. In a couple more years Falcon may overtake Omni 2 in quality available presets (factory and 3rd party), but for now Omni 2 rules without question IMO. I'm in synth heaven though, because I am lucky enough to own both....thank The Maker! :pray: :D

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wagtunes wrote:Sound quality? Perception here is totally subjective. To say that one sounds better than the other would only be opinion.
wagtunes wrote:However, many of Omni 2's presets are unusable. Sorry, but they are.
And usability is not subjective? :P

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Seems no one has yet commented on the sound difference. One would think thats the most important factor.
Everyone's sayin' workflow is slower in Falcon..but its deeper. Well, there's a deal breaker right there. But how does it sound? What genres are we talkin' here?

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T-CM11 wrote:And usability is not subjective? :P
this ^^

was playing with omnisphere the other day (still on version 1); just playing, for playing's sake. i'd guess that i lingered on about 7-8 of every 10 presets i tried, including the more 'out-there' sounds. this experience contrasts with pretty much every other instrument i've tried. In fact, i've 'awarded' so many of these presets with 5 stars, that it no longer serves to distinguish one from another :shrug:

this is in contrast to alchemy, which i also love. flipping through the presets gives me more misses than hits. however, the stuff that sounds great sounds really great.

i see alchemy in the same light as others see falcon. feature differences, and strengths/weaknesses aside, they both feel set up for creating, in a way that omnisphere (imo) does not. having access to alchemy 2, and hearing what top designers like sampleconstruct can get out of it, leads me to believe that it is really only limited by imagination and skill set

alchemy 2 stopped any gas for falcon...well, not ALL of it :oops: :oops:

i'm not suggesting that falcon doesn't improve on alchemy in certain areas, but for my use it is just a little too sprawling in options. i prefer the much more focused appeal of alchemy, not to mention the whole performance element that it packs.

and yet, even with all of this, i couldn't do without omnisphere. why ?? even if i could get as good as the spec's crew in sound design, i would never be able to accumulate the incredible amount of sound sources that omnisphere contains

omnisphere is like a sonic playground, alchemy is like a sonic workshop. falcon seems like a sonic factory

i know you weren't talking of alchemy (and maybe don't even have access to it), but it is similar enough to make the same argument i.e that omnisphere has it's place whether you own falcon (or alchemy), or not

the argument for learning curves doesn't hold, as there really is no learning curve for omnisphere (unless you are a complete synth noob). it is satisfyingly immediate. falcon looks like it will take a lot of learning.

if money really is no object, then why not get both. pretty sure they can both be sold (check that). while you are learning how to design sounds in falcon, just enjoy playing omnisphere

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T-CM11 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Sound quality? Perception here is totally subjective. To say that one sounds better than the other would only be opinion.
wagtunes wrote:However, many of Omni 2's presets are unusable. Sorry, but they are.
And usability is not subjective? :P
Yes, of course it's subjective but my puny human pea brain unfortunately can't think of uses for a lot of the "sounds" that Eric calls a presets. I get that they want to be "adventurous" and give us as many possibilities as they can, but for making "music" in the traditional sense, no, many of those presets are unusable. For me anyway.

Like I said at the very end of my very long post.

YMMV.

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How many presets does Falcon come with? One thing I like about my Omnisphere (unlike Nexus type synths where you could spend 6x the cost of Omnisphere to get that many sounds) is you don't have to keep buying for a decent size library. Haven't found the number of including presets as being a selling point.

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