Can't wait to see the new Push being integrated into Bitwig

[thetechnobear]

there are some side by side photo here http://createdigitalmusic.com/2015/11/a ... s-on-test/

so, I commented on this article, asking if about compatibility, and got a reply from an ableton developer

Hi, Push2 developer here. The answer is unfortunately "no". The device firmware relies on full frames being sent via USB. It's not capable of any rendering.

so looks like we will have to write specifically for the Push 2, presumably thru a dedicated Push2 USB connection, Ive asked for details for this... but its an 'initial blow', indicating existing apps/add-ons are not going to be compatible with Push2 'out the box'.

what Im considering is if perhaps I can build my own 'compatibility layer', but will need to see some more details on the protocol, and how open Ableton are going to be about how to drive the display via QML or whatever.

creates a dilema, I really like the look of the Push 2... so now might need to consider if I have both, or trade in my Push1, and just 'go with the flow'

[pdxindy]

Does Push 2 have aftertouch?

[TeotiGraphix]

there are some side by side photo here http://createdigitalmusic.com/2015/11/a ... s-on-test/

so, I commented on this article, asking if about compatibility, and got a reply from an ableton developer

Hi, Push2 developer here. The answer is unfortunately "no". The device firmware relies on full frames being sent via USB. It's not capable of any rendering.

so looks like we will have to write specifically for the Push 2, presumably thru a dedicated Push2 USB connection, Ive asked for details for this... but its an 'initial blow', indicating existing apps/add-ons are not going to be compatible with Push2 'out the box'.

what Im considering is if perhaps I can build my own 'compatibility layer', but will need to see some more details on the protocol, and how open Ableton are going to be about how to drive the display via QML or whatever.

creates a dilema, I really like the look of the Push 2... so now might need to consider if I have both, or trade in my Push1, and just 'go with the flow'

Full frames, I guess that makes sense. I think that explains how NI does it with Studio, I bet it's the same.

So in the end, there is no Push4Bitwig as we know it for the Push2 (display wise which breaks it all anyway).

Mike

[thetechnobear]

yeah... but if its simply sending a RGB bitmap, I would have thought (with enough information) it should be possible to render the old matrix display, given it had a limited character set/layout and also was monochrome.
the 'simplicity' of the sysex approach used in Push1 actually plays to that quite well.

[TeotiGraphix]

yeah... but if its simply sending a RGB bitmap, I would have thought (with enough information) it should be possible to render the old matrix display, given it had a limited character set/layout and also was monochrome.
the 'simplicity' of the sysex approach used in Push1 actually plays to that quite well.

Well I was thinking that same thing as Studio must do this as well, when it's in MIDI mode it's primitive.

We can keep tabs, it's interesting because if you can paint the screen, then eventually you could make a screen UI completely "Bitwig" from data on the controller API.

Only speculation right now, I am surprised you got an answer from a dev.

Mike

[twumpy]

Ouch, it doesn't work without external power. Not a shocker having the screen and all, but a big minus for me.

[TristanMendoza]

This conversation is awesome. I'm excited for Push2, and I can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

[Bobby L'Avenir]

Did you expect Ableton to make it easy
They were probably pissed that another daw came along treading on their toes with clips and devices etc also using a controller designed for Live that can do more in the new comer daw than the daw it was designed to work in

I won't be selling my Push 1 any time soon

[pdxindy]

Did you expect Ableton to make it easy
They were probably pissed that another daw came along treading on their toes with clips and devices etc also using a controller designed for Live that can do more in the new comer daw than the daw it was designed to work in

I won't be selling my Push 1 any time soon

If Push 2 ends up working well with Bitwig I do not think Ableton will be too mad to sell a $800 controller to Bitwig users!

[TristanMendoza]

Yeah I won't be selling my Push1 anytime soon, until I see how well Push2 works, if at all.

[thetechnobear]

Ok, my Push 2 has arrived today .. . first impression wow....
(I loved my Push 1, even thought about keeping it, but it was packed within 5 minutes of the Push 2 arriving!)

anyway... back to development topics...

Good news, the pads and encoders use the same CC and notes, for both input and output, so its compatible.
This means excluding the display, it works with Push4Bitwig.

the only small change is the user port is only active when live is running and live is in user mode - no issue for push4bitwig, just set it to use the Live port.

Ive been digging a small amount in the display area, but not too much to share yet.... though a tidbit, did you know you can start the Push2DisplayProcess such that it emulates the Push2 with a display on your computer, Ive not played a lot with it, but might help developers who don't have access to a Push2 to test with

will keep you posted on the display side... but for now, its time to fire up ableton and have a blast

[moss]

Ok, my Push 2 has arrived today .. . first impression wow....
(I loved my Push 1, even thought about keeping it, but it was packed within 5 minutes of the Push 2 arriving!)

Gave it some pushes in the music store. The buttons feel much better.

Good news, the pads and encoders use the same CC and notes, for both input and output, so its compatible.
This means excluding the display, it works with Push4Bitwig.

Good to know!

the only small change is the user port is only active when live is running and live is in user mode - no issue for push4bitwig, just set it to use the Live port.

Ive been digging a small amount in the display area, but not too much to share yet.... though a tidbit, did you know you can start the Push2DisplayProcess such that it emulates the Push2 with a display on your computer, Ive not played a lot with it, but might help developers who don't have access to a Push2 to test with

I guessed that from the script. But how?

[thetechnobear]

I guessed that from the script. But how?

change --push2-mode hardware to --push2-mode emulator

have you seen how to get Live to send this in the script? (I've not decompiled it yet... must go do that)

[nhlab]

Hi, Push2 developer here. The answer is unfortunately "no". The device firmware relies on full frames being sent via USB. It's not capable of any rendering.

I, for one, am really excited about the fact that the device firmware relies on full frames being sent via USB. While it does take more hacking to get something on the display, it means anything can be displayed. I wonder what the maximum refresh rate is.. imagine movie clips, 3D games, etc. And.. useful music making stuff too

[Crackbaby]

Regarding display and all that. Wouldn't it be much easier to use bitwig's touch display capabilties and get a small screen where you can show all and even more than what's shown on push2's display? I would still like to have buttons to toggle several things like on a hardware controller but for things that just gets messy touch helps a lot. Is there nothing like Touchable for bitwig?
Sorry, late night rambling ^_^