Jean-Michel Jarre and Diva

[aaron aardvark]

david,
I have never heard the song in the first video: not bad. A lot of it has a 60's vibe for me. It seems more like movie/TV background music to me.

I recognize the visual art work on the second video. I like this song better overall for the first 1:20, then it gets a bit weird for me at times. I feel like it could use some good vocals though. I don't think I've heard this song before either.

[david.beholder]

david, I have never heard the song in the first video: not bad. A lot of it has a 60's vibe for me. It seems more like movie/TV background music to me.

I recognize the visual art work on the second video. I like this song better overall for the first 1:20, then it gets a bit weird for me at times. I feel like it could use some good vocals though. I don't think I've heard this song before either.

And yes he has love to 60-80ths, odd meters and playing with hands. Album sound very lively altho gear list have no unobtanium at all http://www.discogs.com/Todd-Terje-Its-A ... se/5513520

All tracks from that album are available in discogs playlist.
Give it a try!

[murnau]

Before certain moment it was quite funny before murnau and contained hidden ads of ketchup wurst and one ping only.

Actually it was quite funny before you came in to insult JMJ who is a customer of U-he just out of the blue. Also very unrespectful toward the OP as well the topic is still "JMJ and Diva". Good Urs gave you the right answer already: Maybe you should live up to your nick-name and be more beholder then contributor at least from time to time.

[Urs]

Well, hehe, if we started a thread posting all famous/inspired/inspiring people who use our software, we'd get a remarkable list. Fortunately, we never disclose this information. Some, such as Hans Zimmer, Jean-Michel Jarre or Todd Terje write it into their booklets or mention us elsewhere, and then someone posts about it. And that's fine.

Jean-Michel Jarre however is the guy who wrote the music that got me into synthesizers, long before I listened to Kraftwerk or TD. I doubt that I'd be designing synths today if I hadn't been hooked on Oxygene, Equinoxe and Magnetic Fields at my dad's place in the early 1980ies. While his music is not everyone's cup of tea (no music ever is everyone's, is it?), I think this is what everyone might wanna bear in mind when they love our plug-ins

[sempondr]

Jean-Michel Jarre is a legend. His influence on electronic music is huge.
What kind of music he makes lately is irrelevant. He can make remixes of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - makes no difference.

[BBFG#]

It's sometimes interesting to find that prostitutes use the very same lubricant we put on a child's rectum thermometer. Well not really. But it is very enjoyable to see what a great sense of humor the u-he team has about all this. Adds many 'pluses' to my respect level for them.

I stopped paying attention to "who uses" anything quite some time ago.

(BTW, in sales, this is called "the higher authority play". It is a sales tool to close the easy mark on a product without having to have any real facts to sell it on.)

[david.beholder]

What kind of music he makes lately is irrelevant. He can make remixes of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - doesn't matter.

In Russia there is saying "people are eating [whatever they fed with]".

He is exactly making Twinkle Twinkle EDM Star remixes using Plugins X, Y and Z because they all sound like analog Synths X, Y and Z and also Synths X, Y and Z, because Plugins X, Y, Z doesn't sound like analog at all. Mutually exclusive statements -- YES! Why? Because he is a star and whatever he is saying is right.

Jean-Michel Jarre however is the guy who wrote the music that got me into synthesizers, long before I listened to Kraftwerk or TD. I doubt that I'd be designing synths today if I hadn't been hooked on Oxygene, Equinoxe and Magnetic Fields at my dad's place in the early 1980ies. While his music is not everyone's cup of tea (no music ever is everyone's, is it?), I think this is what everyone might wanna bear in mind when they love our plug-ins

Lot of people especially here are influenced by his late 70ths and all 80ths albums. But common it's 2015 and things are different now. Legacy parasitism is not and has never been a good thing. Value of JMJ endorsment is falling proportionally.

There are people who prefer "Legends remixing Twinkle, Twinkle" but their opinions doesn't matter. It's next to impossible hard to find person who is not JMJ fanboy and enjoy 2015 JMJ's music. Is there saying "nobody cup of tea" in english?

May be it's time to leave past for the past?

P.S. "Aging pop diva syndrome" is not a insult but behavioral pattern, hidden ad of some plugin and good name for sound bank.
P.S.S. Also, I hope you know about http://www.discogs.com/artist/230353-Michel-Geiss there is coincidence that guy stoped collaborating with JMJ after Chronologie

[aaron aardvark]

Well, hehe, if we started a thread posting all famous/inspired/inspiring people who use our software, we'd get a remarkable list. Fortunately, we never disclose this information. Some, such as Hans Zimmer, Jean-Michel Jarre or Todd Terje write it into their booklets or mention us elsewhere, and then someone posts about it. And that's fine.

Jean-Michel Jarre however is the guy who wrote the music that got me into synthesizers, long before I listened to Kraftwerk or TD. I doubt that I'd be designing synths today if I hadn't been hooked on Oxygene, Equinoxe and Magnetic Fields at my dad's place in the early 1980ies. While his music is not everyone's cup of tea (no music ever is everyone's, is it?), I think this is what everyone might wanna bear in mind when they love our plug-ins

Even if I'm not Jarre's biggest fan (though I like some of his music), I couldn't have asked for a better reply.

[2ZrgE]

What kind of music he makes lately is irrelevant. He can make remixes of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star - doesn't matter.

In Russia there is saying "people are eating [whatever they fed with]".

He is exactly making Twinkle Twinkle EDM Star remixes using Plugins X, Y and Z because they all sound like analog Synths X, Y and Z and also Synths X, Y and Z, because Plugins X, Y, Z doesn't sound like analog at all. Mutually exclusive statements -- YES! Why? Because he is a star and whatever he is saying is right.

Jean-Michel Jarre however is the guy who wrote the music that got me into synthesizers, long before I listened to Kraftwerk or TD. I doubt that I'd be designing synths today if I hadn't been hooked on Oxygene, Equinoxe and Magnetic Fields at my dad's place in the early 1980ies. While his music is not everyone's cup of tea (no music ever is everyone's, is it?), I think this is what everyone might wanna bear in mind when they love our plug-ins

Lot of people especially here are influenced by his late 70ths and all 80ths albums. But common it's 2015 and things are different now. Legacy parasitism is not and has never been a good thing. Value of JMJ endorsment is falling proportionally.

There are people who prefer "Legends remixing Twinkle, Twinkle" but their opinions doesn't matter. It's next to impossible hard to find person who is not JMJ fanboy and enjoy 2015 JMJ's music. Is there saying "nobody cup of tea" in english?

May be it's time to leave past for the past?

P.S. "Aging pop diva syndrome" is not a insult but behavioral pattern, hidden ad of some plugin and good name for sound bank.
P.S.S. Also, I hope you know about http://www.discogs.com/artist/230353-Michel-Geiss there is coincidence that guy stoped collaborating with JMJ after Chronologie

"Haters gonna hate"-syndrome?

Sorry, but all that wish-wash about influences and what not has nothing to do with your bold, provoking statement.

"His endorsment is a kind of a joke. I belive he would endorse one ping only if price is right."

That's just a stupid, bitchy assumption without any substance as long you cannot point us to some facts which show otherwise. So unless you can prove that JMJ takes money from companies (U-he in this case) to endorse stuff (like Diva), why don't you just take your hating somewhere else?

[Urs]

"Aging pop diva syndrome" is not a insult but behavioral pattern

It's a behavioural pattern that's a result of the same forces that keeps other brilliant musicians such as Todd Terje too "Todd who?" to make the ad worth while. The artist has done nothing wrong. The music industry and the generation that embraced free mp3 downloads on the other hand might have. There is no money and no "fan" to make with musical quality, therefore quality is not only of utter unimportance, it's counter indicated even. The album, the message and the virtuosity are poison, all that counts are amassments of 3-minute jingles to try and squeeze a dime out of the streets, and the hope that Victoria's Secret (pars pro toto) can still afford some licensing.

IMHO Jean-Michel Jarre survived this quite well. As did U2 and maybe a handful of others. It's however very questionable if there's gonna be anybody succeeding those guys. There isn't gonna be "the next Peter Gabriel". I don't think it's possible, not even for Jordan Ruddess. Which is why we have threads about Jean-Michel Jarre and not about whoever.

[Garzita]

I am confused, is there some sort of WWE - like grudge between JMJ and this Todd guy?

Did JMJ diss him? or how did that Todd guy come into this story?

I have never heard of Todd Terje, but that maybe more because I am old.

Whatever, this thread has reminded me of a great 80s JMJ video that blew my mind as a nerdy teenager in a remote mexican border town:

[david.beholder]

It's a behavioural pattern that's a result of the same forces that keeps other brilliant musicians such as Todd Terje too "Todd who?" to make the ad worth while. The artist has done nothing wrong.

He is quite famous. Saw him month ago in San Francisco, in the club full of people who know his music. So he is "Todd who" only among prev gens -- obviously because prev gens are less into the music.

I think he is intentionally underground (no pop stars on feats, no increasing accessibility of music, lot of production works), quite similar to U-he in software market (no endorsements, no expensive campaigns, no bogo sales etc).

The music industry and the generation that embraced free mp3 downloads on the other hand might have. There is no money and no "fan" to make with musical quality, therefore quality is not only of utter unimportance, it's counter indicated even.

Look from different angle: disco, ambient, techno, idm i.e. underground not a pop rock. It is flourishing, quality of releases are times better than in 90ths and 00ths because lot of semi-pro and poor pros have access to excellent tools. Quality is increasing. There are layer of people who are going to clubs/lives, buying records etc. And there are underground musicians who making their living out of this layer. This market is healthy. It's hard to make cocaine living out of it, but certain underground producers are making good buck.

IMHO Jean-Michel Jarre survived this quite well. As did U2 and maybe a handful of others. It's however very questionable if there's gonna be anybody succeeding those guys. There isn't gonna be "the next Peter Gabriel". I don't think it's possible, not even for Jordan Ruddess. Which is why we have threads about Jean-Michel Jarre and not about whoever.

I'm sorry, I'm missing a point here. Why do we need next Jordan Ruddess or Peter Gabriel.

[murnau]

"Haters gonna hate"-syndrome?

Sorry, but all that wish-wash about influences and what not has nothing to do with your bold, provoking statement.

"His endorsment is a kind of a joke. I belive he would endorse one ping only if price is right."

That's just a stupid, bitchy assumption without any substance as long you cannot point us to some facts which show otherwise. So unless you can prove that JMJ takes money from companies (U-he in this case) to endorse stuff (like Diva), why don't you just take your hating somewhere else?

How he could? The only place he can put is garbage is right here. Now i'm off to listen a bit of Wagner music and later Jarre. Yeah, music from yesterday.

[chk071]

Lot of people especially here are influenced by his late 70ths and all 80ths albums. But common it's 2015 and things are different now. Legacy parasitism is not and has never been a good thing. Value of JMJ endorsment is falling proportionally.

Not agreeing with your reason, but JMJ endorses all kind of stuff, from Arturia synths, to hardware stuff. AND, in quite a questionable way, like saying that the Arturia emus are sounding just like the real stuff, while next time endorsing hardware synths, saying that no plugin can ever reach the sound. I must admit i never liked his music, but even if i did, the way he's playing the marketing marionette is pretty ridiculous IMO.

Not at all saying he is doing the same here, but he's surely doing it for other companies, so JMJ's credibility when endorsing a product tends to zero as far as i'm concerned. As does the one of Jordan Rudess and the likes. It's fine of course, if that's their and the company's thing, i'd rather have honest product recommendations or endorsements though.

[david.beholder]

Not agreeing with your reason,

In terms of motivation we're on the same page. Regardless of love/hate to french synth/disco underground of late 70ths early 80ths.

but JMJ endorses all kind of stuff, from Arturia synths, to hardware stuff. AND, in quite a questionable way, like saying that the Arturia emus are sounding just like the real stuff, while next time endorsing hardware synths, saying that no plugin can ever reach the sound. I must admit i never liked his music, but even if i did, the way he's playing the marketing marionette is pretty ridiculous IMO.

He is not alone -- Orbital are following exactly the same steps i.e. they haven't recorded anything good since 90ths -- tons of on-camera endorsements and tons of off-camera laughing on that endorsements.

But you're perfectly see my point.

It's fine of course, if that's their and the company's thing, i'd rather have honest product recommendations or endorsements though.

That's why I've mentioned Todd Terje. He has best way of recommending something I've ever seen.