Sonar Platinum does not work as advertised
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- KVRist
- 153 posts since 4 May, 2007
jinotsuh wrote: the attitude towards bugs, the attitude that has began to pervade the forums where if there is anyone with a problem it is not Sonar, but 3rd party plugins, pilot error or their machine was substandard, because there isn't anything wrong with Sonar. The sheer fanboi-ism attitude of the forums, the way they have attacked anyone who came with an attitude of not praising Sonar and Cakewalk, labeling them trolls and what have you, just piling on them like a pack of wolves, the Cakewalk forums were once a great place, today not so much,
This and their policy that notation is not important is what drove me away. And Craig Anderton joins the fanbois in every tit for tat argument.
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- KVRAF
- 4317 posts since 20 Feb, 2004
Just out of curiosity, is there a common reason that would cause this problem for a DAW in general? I've never encountered it before AFAIK (except maybe with Sonar, but it would have been many years ago).jens wrote:bgl wrote: I am a power user but I was running into problems where my bounced, mixed files would not sound at all like the original tracks.
That doesn't sound like a power user to me at all...
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- KVRAF
- 2312 posts since 9 Jun, 2002 from East of Santa Monica
Easily the most common IMO is the user plays back the mixed down file in Windows Media player with the audio enhancements enabled.JerGoertz wrote:Just out of curiosity, is there a common reason that would cause this problem for a DAW in general? I've never encountered it before AFAIK (except maybe with Sonar, but it would have been many years ago).bgl wrote: I am a power user but I was running into problems where my bounced, mixed files would not sound at all like the original tracks.
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- KVRAF
- 2306 posts since 27 Jan, 2011
Attacking the OP for making a single post and then vanishing does not undermine his claims. I have 1,903 times as many posts as the OP and find his complaints quite credible. I'm not a power user, but after 19 years of using DAWs, I know how basic things are supposed to work, and in Sonar Platinum, so very often, they don't.
Cakewalk 6 was my first DAW; I also owned Versions 7, 8, 9, Sonar 1, Sonar 2.1 and Sonar X3. I was predisposed to like, and really wanted to love, Platinum when I bought it.
Now with apx. 400 hours of Platinum use under my belt, I can't wait to finish the projects I started there so I can abandon it (except for comping and Melodyne-ing, where it's pretty awesome).
The main reason is that really basic, usually crucial last-kilometer things just fail on my purpose-built (by Scan UK), decently spec'ed out W7 PC.
I spent hours crafting automation envelopes, then had roll the dice to see if they work as they should.
I used Mix Recall (a brilliant idea) a lot, only to find that it was failing to recall certain settings (such as a track's mute status) in an apparently random fashion, completely undercutting that feature's utility.
Rendering to audio remains a real hit and miss affair.
And never have I had to spend the same amount of time, hour for hour, being stopped by some new "what is it now?" flakey behaviour which requires me to stop making music and go into forensic bug-hunting mode. Lay down tools, consult the 2,000+ page manual, search the forums, document the problem in excruciating detail, completely lose whatever inspiration which preceded the stoppage. Major buzz-kill, distressingly often.
Yes, I have RTFM.
Tech support has been basically non-existent, and while there are some really good, helpful folks on the forum, 1) you can't demand anything of them, as they are helping you for free, on their own time, 2) while they've helped me a lot, no one has been able to help me remedy the automation and mix recall bugs, and 3) they are outnumbered by the aforementioned fanbois and their pope, Craig Anderton. Their mantra is "well, works fine for me, it must be you." Yeah, well, other DAWs (Acid Pro, Studio 1, MULab, hell, even N-Track and Adobe Audition 3) work on my DAW as they should (except Acid when it comes to midi), so where is your god now?
Avoiding a reliance Sonar is good for my blood pressure.
Cakewalk 6 was my first DAW; I also owned Versions 7, 8, 9, Sonar 1, Sonar 2.1 and Sonar X3. I was predisposed to like, and really wanted to love, Platinum when I bought it.
Now with apx. 400 hours of Platinum use under my belt, I can't wait to finish the projects I started there so I can abandon it (except for comping and Melodyne-ing, where it's pretty awesome).
The main reason is that really basic, usually crucial last-kilometer things just fail on my purpose-built (by Scan UK), decently spec'ed out W7 PC.
I spent hours crafting automation envelopes, then had roll the dice to see if they work as they should.
I used Mix Recall (a brilliant idea) a lot, only to find that it was failing to recall certain settings (such as a track's mute status) in an apparently random fashion, completely undercutting that feature's utility.
Rendering to audio remains a real hit and miss affair.
And never have I had to spend the same amount of time, hour for hour, being stopped by some new "what is it now?" flakey behaviour which requires me to stop making music and go into forensic bug-hunting mode. Lay down tools, consult the 2,000+ page manual, search the forums, document the problem in excruciating detail, completely lose whatever inspiration which preceded the stoppage. Major buzz-kill, distressingly often.
Yes, I have RTFM.
Tech support has been basically non-existent, and while there are some really good, helpful folks on the forum, 1) you can't demand anything of them, as they are helping you for free, on their own time, 2) while they've helped me a lot, no one has been able to help me remedy the automation and mix recall bugs, and 3) they are outnumbered by the aforementioned fanbois and their pope, Craig Anderton. Their mantra is "well, works fine for me, it must be you." Yeah, well, other DAWs (Acid Pro, Studio 1, MULab, hell, even N-Track and Adobe Audition 3) work on my DAW as they should (except Acid when it comes to midi), so where is your god now?
Avoiding a reliance Sonar is good for my blood pressure.
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Thank you. BTW, I hope you've put your flame retardant suit onlingyai wrote:Attacking the OP for making a single post and then vanishing does not undermine his claims. I have 1,903 times as many posts as the OP and find his complaints quite credible. I'm not a power user, but after 19 years of using DAWs, I know how basic things are supposed to work, and in Sonar Platinum, so very often, they don't.
(I have)8.5 was pretty stable and I actually was able to make music. It wasn't perfect and I quickly was seduced by the dark side (reaper), but it was ok (and my first x64 experience)
Since then it's all been downhill.
Oh and please (to all posters) remember that 20-40% of the time, it might work (well, I'm trying to rehash the greatest thread ever
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- KVRist
- 421 posts since 11 Jun, 2013
Nobody cares about Sonar. They are the payless shoes of the DAW industry lol.
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- KVRAF
- 4317 posts since 20 Feb, 2004
I hope this isn't true, as Sonar 2XL was my first real DAW, but my impression is the same.beatmangler443 wrote:They are the payless shoes of the DAW industry lol.
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2XL was a troll. Of all the bad daw's, it's top of the heap of dung. One update, and then "well, we'll fix it in the next paid update" !! 
Anyways, this has run it's course. I have heard that X3 is better. Good if true but I'm out. They have enough of my money.
Anyways, this has run it's course. I have heard that X3 is better. Good if true but I'm out. They have enough of my money.
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- KVRist
- 52 posts since 21 Jan, 2007 from NJ
I will say that I've noticed the same thing about Sonar as what the OP stated. I think I even posted about it on here about a year ago.
Sonar does have its problems, and it seems like certain bugs are never going to get fixed. For starters, 5.1 is completely useless in Sonar. I started documenting the issues back when X3 first came out and spent a very considerable amount of time sending all of the data to Sonar tech support and opening tickets and all that would happen is a few weeks later I'd get an email stating that 'the ticket has been open for too long and they need to close it and if I wish to continue with support, I can open a new one.' This went on for about two years until I gave up. It was an endless cycle of opening new tickets after they closed the previous one with no response.
I gave Sonar another chance when it looked like they were finally fixing things when the subscription model first came out, but recent bugs continue to appear, like the vstscanner.exe bug which came back with the last patch. Plus several patches that flat out crashed Sonar and locked up my machine when I tried launching it. My subscription finally ended last month. Out of 12 patches, at least 4 of them were completely unusable and I had to revert. I switched over to Nuendo and it actually runs!
The one thing that really got under my skin though were the emails I received when my subscription was ending. I paid for 12 months and the day before my final monthly payment, I get an email saying my subscription was ending in 14 days. Then I get one saying there is no more monthly payment plan and I need to pay for the year upfront in one payment and it has to be done before that 14 day period ends. No longer interested in staying with Sonar, I don't renew my subscription. What a wonderful surprise it was a month later when they started taking monthly payments out of my account again.
Sonar does have its problems, and it seems like certain bugs are never going to get fixed. For starters, 5.1 is completely useless in Sonar. I started documenting the issues back when X3 first came out and spent a very considerable amount of time sending all of the data to Sonar tech support and opening tickets and all that would happen is a few weeks later I'd get an email stating that 'the ticket has been open for too long and they need to close it and if I wish to continue with support, I can open a new one.' This went on for about two years until I gave up. It was an endless cycle of opening new tickets after they closed the previous one with no response.
I gave Sonar another chance when it looked like they were finally fixing things when the subscription model first came out, but recent bugs continue to appear, like the vstscanner.exe bug which came back with the last patch. Plus several patches that flat out crashed Sonar and locked up my machine when I tried launching it. My subscription finally ended last month. Out of 12 patches, at least 4 of them were completely unusable and I had to revert. I switched over to Nuendo and it actually runs!
The one thing that really got under my skin though were the emails I received when my subscription was ending. I paid for 12 months and the day before my final monthly payment, I get an email saying my subscription was ending in 14 days. Then I get one saying there is no more monthly payment plan and I need to pay for the year upfront in one payment and it has to be done before that 14 day period ends. No longer interested in staying with Sonar, I don't renew my subscription. What a wonderful surprise it was a month later when they started taking monthly payments out of my account again.
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- KVRist
- 153 posts since 4 May, 2007
Sonar has a long history of instability and things that just never work. Cakewalk as a company pretty much follows the same pattern. Things never really get fixed and the company changes direction every 10 minutes (which is why so many features are half baked). The daily business is run the same way as its development. They can't even get their mailing list to work. It's been complained about for years but lots of people are still unable to get on it. Maybe that's why they've been sold twice.
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- KVRAF
- 2306 posts since 27 Jan, 2011
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