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lobanov · Post by **lobanov** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:18 am

You can connect your UR22 to computer via USB and than your midi-keyboard to UR22. If your keyboard is USB only use USB-midi cable. You don't need another USB slot.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:22 am

My UR22 has only one midi-usb slot that is already taken for the power supply.

lobanov · Post by **lobanov** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:12 am

You can connect your keyboard to your UR22

DocAtlas · Post by **DocAtlas** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:17 am

Foxedge wrote:My UR22 has only one midi-usb slot that is already taken for the power supply.

He isn't talking about the midi-usb port on the UR22; he's talking about using a usb-midi cable (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=usb+midi+cable) to connect the usb port on your keyboard to the five pin midi input on the UR22. Here's a picture of the back of the UR 22: https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/ ... tion=click. There are two midi ports in the middle, IN and OUT. You can use one of the cables from the Google search I linked to to connect your keyboard's usb port to the midi IN port on the back of the UR22. The usb port on the UR22 will stay connected to your computer. This way you won't need a usb hub. Hope this helps.

lobanov · Post by **lobanov** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:32 am

DocAtlas wrote:
Foxedge wrote:My UR22 has only one midi-usb slot that is already taken for the power supply.
He isn't talking about the midi-usb port on the UR22; he's talking about using a usb-midi cable (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=usb+midi+cable) to connect the usb port on your keyboard to the five pin midi input on the UR22. Here's a picture of the back of the UR 22: https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/ ... tion=click. There are two midi ports in the middle, IN and OUT. You can use one of the cables from the Google search I linked to to connect your keyboard's usb port to the midi IN port on the back of the UR22. The usb port on the UR22 will stay connected to your computer. This way you won't need a usb hub. Hope this helps.

Thank you!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:28 am

DocAtlas wrote: There are two midi ports in the middle, IN and OUT. You can use one of the cables from the Google search I linked to to connect your keyboard's usb port to the midi IN port on the back of the UR22. The usb port on the UR22 will stay connected to your computer. This way you won't need a usb hub. Hope this helps.

Im afarid that's just not possible.

There are several very significant reasons why not; a USB device will only communicate over USB if it is connected to something capable of acting as a USB host. USB devices are not the same as USB hosts.

Also, the host (eg the PC, Mac, or iOS device) has to run an appropriate software driver, which turns any data being transferred into 'MIDI', and actually fulfills the task of being the 'MIDI device' you see as an option in your operating system DAW software.
The keyboard and the cable are sending some sort of data over USB, but that needn't be MIDI data, and it needs the driver running to do any transmission of data in either direction.

You are basically expecting the MIDI-USB cable to act as the host for the keyboard. That will not work, ever, and Im afraid you're completely muddying the waters here.

Basically a MIDI-USB cable is not a MIDI-to-USB convertor, its a MIDI-USB interface.

Anyways, OP has already said he has 'plenty' of spare USB ports on his PC, he doesnt need a hub or any other thing except a second USB cable. Anything else, even if it worked, is far more more convoluted than needed.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:51 am

Thanks for the informations!

So, what kind of midi devices could be connected via the ur22 and a midi cable then? Just to understand what it is there for

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:04 am

Foxedge wrote:Thanks for the informations!

So, what kind of midi devices could be connected via the ur22 and a midi cable then? Just to understand what it is there for

Any MIDI hardware with 5-pin DIN connections, ie synths, controllers, keyboards, drum machines, sequencers yadda yadda.

Your UR22 has MIDI in and out ports; the in lets it get MIDI from hardware (eg control your DAW from some hardware device, or record the MIDI of what you play), the out lets you send to hardware (eg play a hardware synth from your DAW). Some hardware might use both, some might need both.

And all you need for them is regular MIDI cables.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:52 pm

I'm a bit confused now

Didn't you say in your last post, that it won't work to plug in the midi-keyboard into the UR22?

DocAtlas · Post by **DocAtlas** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:57 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
DocAtlas wrote: There are two midi ports in the middle, IN and OUT. You can use one of the cables from the Google search I linked to to connect your keyboard's usb port to the midi IN port on the back of the UR22. The usb port on the UR22 will stay connected to your computer. This way you won't need a usb hub. Hope this helps.
Im afarid that's just not possible.

There are several very significant reasons why not; a USB device will only communicate over USB if it is connected to something capable of acting as a USB host. USB devices are not the same as USB hosts.

Also, the host (eg the PC, Mac, or iOS device) has to run an appropriate software driver, which turns any data being transferred into 'MIDI', and actually fulfills the task of being the 'MIDI device' you see as an option in your operating system DAW software.
The keyboard and the cable are sending some sort of data over USB, but that needn't be MIDI data, and it needs the driver running to do any transmission of data in either direction.

You are basically expecting the MIDI-USB cable to act as the host for the keyboard. That will not work, ever, and Im afraid you're completely muddying the waters here.

Basically a MIDI-USB cable is not a MIDI-to-USB convertor, its a MIDI-USB interface.

Anyways, OP has already said he has 'plenty' of spare USB ports on his PC, he doesnt need a hub or any other thing except a second USB cable. Anything else, even if it worked, is far more more convoluted than needed.

Oops. Yeah, you're right. I don't know where my brain was when I wrote that. Sorry for creating more confuson.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:12 pm

Foxedge wrote:I'm a bit confused now

Didn't you say in your last post, that it won't work to plug in the midi-keyboard into the UR22?

No. He said plugging in a USB to Midi cable won't work. Connect your midi keyboard to your interface using a standard 5 pin midi cable, or connect it to your computer using USB.

DocAtlas · Post by **DocAtlas** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:17 pm

Foxedge wrote:I'm a bit confused now

Didn't you say in your last post, that it won't work to plug in the midi-keyboard into the UR22?

Hope I'm not making things worse again, but I'm more awake than I was last night. The method that
lobanov and I had mentioned won't work. Ignore everything I wrote in my earlier post. If your keyboard has five pin midi jacks, you can connect a midi cable from them to the five pin jacks on your UR22. If your keyboard only sends midi over usb, then you'll have to connect it to one of the usb ports on your computer.

Just out of curiousity, what keyboard controller are you using?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:18 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
Foxedge wrote:I'm a bit confused now

Didn't you say in your last post, that it won't work to plug in the midi-keyboard into the UR22?
No. He said plugging in a USB to Midi cable won't work. Connect your midi keyboard to your interface using a standard 5 pin midi cable, or connect it to your computer using USB.

Yup.

Foxedge, I dont think you've mentioned what kind of keyboard it is, but some MIDI devices which can be plugged in to a computer directly via USB also have MIDI sockets, and thus can also be plugged in to a MIDI interface and used that way.

If you have a 5-pin MIDI output on your keyboard, you can do either (or both!). If it only has a USB socket USB it has to be connected directly (hubs count as 'directly', here, FWIW) to your computer.

Foxedge · Post by **Foxedge** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:54 pm

I have the Alesis Q49 and it has a 5 pin "midi out" in the back, next to the usb-midi where I usually connect it with my pc.

So I could plug the keyboard via the 5 pin midi out to my UR22 and that would be the better way than using a second midi to usb or does it not matter which way I use?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:57 pm

Foxedge wrote:I have the Alesis Q49 and it has a 5 pin "midi out" in the back, next to the usb-midi where I usually connect it with my pc.

So I could plug the keyboard via the 5 pin midi out to my UR22 and that would be the better way than using a second midi to usb or does it not matter which way I use?

As previously explained, it doesn't matter.

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