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mhog · Post by **mhog** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:26 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:cocteau twins
this mortal coil
the cranes

the easy answer is go check out 4ad:

http://www.4ad.com/artists

4AD stuff is not what's looking for (except DCD, they played darkwave in the end of 80s and 90s, not heavenly voices/neoclassical). In that period there was a band called "In the Nursery", it was darkwave-neoclassical. Another one was called "Attrition". They are both British, I guess.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:52 pm

The Humberstone Twins = In The Nursery

Wappenbund - Kinder des Lichtes, very close to being in my all time top 10 albums

Alias9593 · Post by **Alias9593** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:30 pm

Thanks for the tips, listening to all the propositions
Some new recommandation i get from other ways

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:32 pm

mhog wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:cocteau twins
this mortal coil
the cranes

the easy answer is go check out 4ad:

http://www.4ad.com/artists
4AD stuff is not what's looking for (except DCD, they played darkwave in the end of 80s and 90s, not heavenly voices/neoclassical). In that period there was a band called "In the Nursery", it was darkwave-neoclassical. Another one was called "Attrition". They are both British, I guess.

4ad is exaclty what hes asking for. now if thats not what he really wants well then thats a different story.

the problem with this is that hes asking for neoclasical but what he describes is ethereal. go by the music not the genre hes calling it.

neoclasical/darkwave are terms that were never used by the people who made the music or the people who listened to it at the time (like me). its a term that came after by people trying to pigeon hole stuff they didnt have a reference for. as a result...bands like dcd are classified as darkwave even though they really dont exhibit the features...in this case namely the "wave" part. darkwave is an extension of new wave and synthpop...something dcd and bands in that vein never were. they got associated with it by way of their fan base...not because of any musical similarities.

as is often the case...progenitors of a kind of music arent actually part of that kind of music.

now heres a list of artists that more accurately matches up with the description of the music the op asked about....complete with yet another stupid hybridized genre name no one ever actually used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereal_wave

so...does he want music like those bands he listed...or does he want what is commonly refereed to as "neoclassical"? because those are 2 different things.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:34 pm

Stuff like Fragile by End Of Orgy (Weisser Herbst label), too beautiful for words

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:37 pm

Pulcher Femina, what can one say, except utter fantastico

Alias9593 · Post by **Alias9593** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:56 pm

Thanks Numanoid, nice links.

chaosWyrM, like i told before, giving a name to a kind of music is always difficult.
That's why i posted some examples.
You can also find DCD is this definition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassical_dark_wave

I love many genres, from ambient to all kinds of metal, via shoegaze and post-rock.
My library was a bit weak in this category and is much larger now, cool.
I have "new" nice music to listen

Thanks to all of you for your tips.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:00 pm

From the 80's don't forget to check out serene stuff like Saudade (Love & Rockets), Jemal (Peter Murphy) and Dreams of Reason (Mick Karn), to mention a brief handful.

So much excellent stuff out there that needs to be cherised and heard

Alias9593 · Post by **Alias9593** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:05 pm

Numanoid wrote:From the 80's don't forget to check out serene stuff like Saudade (Love & Rockets), Jemal (Peter Murphy) and Dreams of Reason (Mick Karn), too mention a brief handful.

So much excellent stuff out there that needs to be cherised and heard

Yeah, i never miss a Sylvian release (Buoy !!!!!) and Mick's dead was a great lost.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:26 pm

chaosWyrM wrote: 4ad is exaclty what hes asking for. Neoclasical/darkwave are terms that were never used by the people who made the music or the people who listened to it at the time (like me).

Well, it's understood the progenitor of all the 90s "dark wave - ethereal" genre was the original postpunk stuff (Joy Division and the likes) and all subsequent Ivo Watts-Russell's 4AD bands. But this is not what he's looking for. He's looking for so called "neoclassical", which is an end-of-90s-00s very DCD derivative hybrid subgenre. It has little to do with 80s 4AD records (except some DCD works).

I know rather well what I am talking about, since I was involved in all this with my project at that time.

Oh, by the way... Do you remember this one?

Alias9593 · Post by **Alias9593** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Not this one but Current 93, very well, yes.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:21 pm

Forgot to mention Frozen Autumn, from Torino

Probably my all time favourite darkwave synth band

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:24 pm

mhog wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote: 4ad is exaclty what hes asking for. Neoclasical/darkwave are terms that were never used by the people who made the music or the people who listened to it at the time (like me).
Well, it's understood the progenitor of all the 90s "dark wave - ethereal" genre was the original postpunk stuff (Joy Division and the likes) and all subsequent Ivo Watts-Russell's 4AD bands. But this is not what he's looking for. He's looking for so called "neoclassical", which is a 90s very DCD derivative hybrid genre. It has little to do with 80s 4AD records (except some DCD works).

I know rather well what I am talking about, since I was involved in all this with my project at that time.

Oh, by the way... Do you remember this one?

i still dont know what hes looking for since as ive explained hes asked for neoclasical but referenced ethereal...they are not interchangeable.

IF he really wants "neoclasical" then you are correct for the reasons you state...BUT if hes looking for music that sounds like what hes using as examples and the description he gives...then he doesnt want neoclasical he wants ethereal.

i have no idea which it is.

i dont think its right to lump artists into categories that only came about after the fact. dcd is not and was not neoclasical...and neither was in the nursery for that matter (or intermix or controlled bleeding or will or any of those pre-neoclasical third mind experimental artists that are nothing like dcd in the first place)...they influenced it...but they are not part of it any more than leonard cohen is a goth artist.

and no i dont recognize that track...i was never a current93 fan. not my cuppa.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:28 pm

and not for nothin'...

but all i did was make a suggestion...in an attempt to help out....there was no reason to jump down my throat about it with that snotty attitude.

if what i suggested wasnt what he was looking for...so what? let him decide for his own damn self.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:35 pm

Well, the difference is clear: people in the 90s used to call "neoclassical" all those "piano+cello+ethereal voice" projects, such as this one:

"ethereal" has more to do with Cocteau Twins and the likes, IMO. It's more "keyboards+guitar+ethereal voice". Something like this:

Dark neo-classical and other stuff