KVR Audio

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:11 am

Can't you just route the signal to its own individual mixer track and fade the volume??

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:22 am

In Tracktion you bring up a list of parameters that you can automate - just like you dewscribe, and wet/dry level etc are all included.

It's dead easy (and much cheaper

)

I keep having vague thoughts about getting Sonar 3 (I'm jealous of the sonitus and lexicon effects

) but I keep hearing about crashes/bugs/things it can't do - I'm amazed you can't automate wet/dry effecting - weird

Reverse Engineer · Post by **Reverse Engineer** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:40 am

In acid pro 4 you can automate all parameters (usually) on Fx/synths.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:58 am

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Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:29 am

You are missing something. (or am I missing something?)

Sonar's implimentation is perfect the way they did it.

1. Insert a new bus and insert the effect there. You can drag the effect from your track to the bus effects rack in consol view, so it is very quick and you do not need to redo all parameters.
2. In the audio track insert an FX sens and activate it.
3. Insert an automation envelope in the track to automate the FX send level.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:34 am

spaceman wrote:
VitaminD wrote:plus my host can beat up your host

my host has a live in lover
and my dad is my uncle

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:46 pm

Sepheritoh wrote:You are missing something. (or am I missing something?)

Sonar's implimentation is perfect the way they did it.

1. Insert a new bus and insert the effect there. You can drag the effect from your track to the bus effects rack in consol view, so it is very quick and you do not need to redo all parameters.
2. In the audio track insert an FX sens and activate it.
3. Insert an automation envelope in the track to automate the FX send level.

Uh?

Guess I'll be sticking with Tracktion for now then.

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:15 pm

FL Studio is better than Orion !

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:34 pm

headquest wrote:
Sepheritoh wrote:You are missing something. (or am I missing something?)

Sonar's implimentation is perfect the way they did it.

1. Insert a new bus and insert the effect there. You can drag the effect from your track to the bus effects rack in consol view, so it is very quick and you do not need to redo all parameters.
2. In the audio track insert an FX sens and activate it.
3. Insert an automation envelope in the track to automate the FX send level.
Uh?

Guess I'll be sticking with Tracktion for now then.

Am I missing something here? i guess Traction then has a far more advanced method of implimenting effects and busses? Care to describe this advanced method to me?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:38 pm

verstaerker wrote:FL Studio is better than Orion !

yeah and phatmatic pro is better than.. er.. xphraze
and the war on iraq was wrong and it's all because of them muslims and bush is a wanker, or if your in the uk it's an other name for fanny

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:40 pm

Sepheritoh wrote: Am I missing something here? i guess Traction then has a far more advanced method of implimenting effects and busses? Care to describe this advanced method to me?

it can't get much simpler and more powerful than in S3.. some people just don't want to learn anything new, do they

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:44 pm

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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:19 pm

Sepheritoh wrote: Am I missing something here? i guess Traction then has a far more advanced method of implimenting effects and busses? Care to describe this advanced method to me?

Re FX: you can insert effects into a track (literally), you can apply send effects at the master output (literally) and if you want more flexibility you can route send effects in a modular way by using the new "rack filters" (which basically works like energyXT). Total flexibility imo, and I can;t think what else you might wish to do with effects routing that isn't both possible and very easy in Tracktion.

Regarding busses, I don't need them, because I drive a car.

Seriously though, I don;t think that you need a massive mixing console full of complex features in order to do the sort of routing that is musically required, and music production should be straight-forward for musicians, not just computer programmers...

I think that Sonar 3 looks like an excellent programme, and I am tempted by the quality of FX on offer (in particular) and acidized groove clips. I say I'm tempted, but the jury is still out, because I don;t want to go for a programme that has a steep learning curve (which I won't be able to teach kids effectlively, as I am a music teacher) or something that massively slows down my own workflow (as time is precious).

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:28 pm

spaceman wrote:
it can't get much simpler and more powerful than in S3.. some people just don't want to learn anything new, do they

Why bother with a complicated workaround for automating effects parameters in an expensive (at least in the EU

) programme such as Sonar (which I'm sure is excellent in many ways - obviously!!) when you can simply draw automation curves for EVERY parameter in Tracktion?

There's no virtue in something being difficult, obscure, or just for a special elite of people....

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:59 pm

headquest wrote:
spaceman wrote:
it can't get much simpler and more powerful than in S3.. some people just don't want to learn anything new, do they
Why bother with a complicated workaround for automating effects parameters in an expensive (at least in the EU ) programme such as Sonar (which I'm sure is excellent in many ways - obviously!!) when you can simply draw automation curves for EVERY parameter in Tracktion?

There's no virtue in something being difficult, obscure, or just for a special elite of people....

all dx parameters and mixer params are automatable in S3.. and if you want to automate a wrapped VST, automate the bus the effect is on.. what's so difficult about that?!?!?!?

why is a ferrari faster than a scoda? after all, a scoda has 4 wheels and an engine too, just like a ferrari

Can your host do THIS?