KVR Audio

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:19 am

What am I talking about? I'm talking about automating the bypass/wet/dry envelop of effects. For example, I want a sound to start dry, then slowly build up with effects.

I'm currently a Sonar 3 PE user, and I'm annoyed that I can't automate those aspects--if I try to apply envelops, I end up with a list of all the parameters--sometimes over a dozen, but not one single choice that lets me automate the entire effect from dry to wet. I asked on the Sonar forum and there seems to be no satisfactory workarounds.

So how does the host of your choice deal with this? Is ths problem unique to Sonar only?

The most primitive way I can think of to workaround this problem is to have duplicate tracks, one with effects and one without, and then crossfade between them. Are there better methods?

glurgle · Post by **glurgle** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:23 am

can do this in tracktion and orion, probably most others as well.

valley · Post by **valley** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:15 am

yeah, I think that's a pretty standard feature...

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:33 am

You can't route a fader or send lvl to midi CC in Sonar?

Something's amiss there..

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:13 am

You can't automate levels of a send track? Within the VSTfx or DXfx, you'd need a wet/dry control otherwise, and the ability to automate it as well.

Devon

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:07 am

'yup, FL Studio can do.

pretty easy to automate fx and synth parameters, and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, neither.

smart · Post by **smart** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:10 am

FL makes it a piece of cake - you can automate practically everything in it.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:11 am

plus my host can beat up your host

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:24 am

VitaminD wrote:plus my host can beat up your host

I was waiting for that one..

Magic · Post by **Magic** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:03 am

Sonar do't have auxbuss level automation? You can patch your fx to an own mixer track, wich also gives you more options(eq's and sososo...)
I asume sonar has some kinda mixer window...

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:03 am

I don't mind using the bus method, but that's almost the same as duplicating the track, except you can pach in more tracks into the bus to all be automated at once(if that's the sound you're after).

But, what if let's say I have 3 or 4 tracks, all have some kind of evolving effects that needs to be automated. For example one tracks needs an evolving wahwah effect, another needs evolving compression, another needs evolving phaser...etc. It's be much easier if I can just automate the dry/wet/bypass on the tracks themselves instead of having to create a bunch of buses to cater to each track's automation needs.

I personally think it's really short-sighted of the developers to not have an automation option for dry/wet/bypass.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:13 am

If it's a send effect, then it shouldn't be any problem..if it's an INSERT fx, then you're at the vst plug's mercy for mix down..

At least that's the way I've come to understand things in my own workspace..there is no wet/dry mix for insert FX, but you have that control for sends in each channel strip in Orion.

It boggles my mind something as big as Sonar doesn't have that suimple feature. Something has to be getting overlooked, but I don't use Sonar, so I have nothing to reference.

Hope you figure it out though. That's something I take for granted in Orion I guess..

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:15 am

can't you just automate the effect itself by giving it own channel, then just fade in via wet/dry mixer on the plug?

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:18 am

personally think it's really short-sighted of the developers to not have an automation option for dry/wet/bypass.

No, it is not. Not all effects work in a wet/dry way when being used as inserts. Get something like energyXT or Console Sound Modular Studio and use that as an insert with all the "evolving" effects in it.

These kind of things needs some fiddling, but not much. You'll soon do it in a nifty.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:19 am

CypherOne wrote:can't you just automate the effect itself by giving it own channel, then just fade in via wet/dry mixer on the plug?

problem is, not all vst's have wet/dry settings..

that's why I'll use a send to get control over one that doesn't. There's a mix knob in each channel strip for send wet/dry. Is it like that in Sonar?

Can your host do THIS?