Tracktion Software

spoontechnique · Post by **spoontechnique** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:17 pm

Again, you can have an unlimited number of plugins in racks. And opening a plugin in a rack is in about 2 double clicks. Harsh to say it's in beta because of this one issue.

kevinwayne · Post by **kevinwayne** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:24 pm

spoontechnique wrote:Again, you can have an unlimited number of plugins in racks. And opening a plugin in a rack is in about 2 double clicks. Harsh to say it's in beta because of this one issue.

How do you do that, when you can have only 4 on the Master to begin with?

alejandrozalaquett · Post by **alejandrozalaquett** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:47 pm

dRowAudio wrote:
alejandrozalaquett wrote:
dRowAudio wrote:How many plugins are people using? If I increase this to 6 would that help?
The main problem is the space for UI gets a bit cramped with more than 4...
6 would be great!

It would also be great to have a master level meter before the master section.

Thanks for the great work!
You can do this with a vol/pan plugin?

Well thats why I think 6 would be great.
Actually I insert a Level Meter in the master section (just to check peaks after proccessing the stereo master) and I have only 3 additional slots for processing (EQ, Saturation, MB Dynamics, Limiter, M/S Processing, Reverb, etc)

zzz00m · Post by **zzz00m** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:11 pm

I think adding metering and analyzer plugins to the master is a valid reason for more plugin slots.

For purely active plugins on the master though, why would you need more than an EQ, Compressor, Limiter, Saturation?

Start Mixing with Plugins 1: Setting Up Your Master Buss
https://www.waves.com/start-mixing-with ... buss-setup

5 Master Bus Mistakes That Are Destroying Your Mixes
https://behindthespeakers.com/master-bus-mistakes/

How to Treat the Master Bus
https://modernmixing.com/blog/2012/12/1 ... aster-bus/

kevinwayne · Post by **kevinwayne** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:17 pm

As of right now I have 4 plugins in 1 wrapper and 3 in another. The system won't let me add another. No, I don't think BETA is an unfair assessment at all. This is ridiculously UN-user friendly.

klangbastler · Post by **klangbastler** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:25 pm

zzz00m wrote:...
For purely active plugins on the master though, why would you need more than an EQ, Compressor, Limiter, Saturation? ...

for purely active plugins, you are absolutely right.

but working on things, comparing plugins, experimenting with plugin-chains, ... is not a "pure" thing. it's a workbench where you need some space sometimes to toss things around.

klangbastler · Post by **klangbastler** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:28 pm

kevinwayne wrote:As of right now I have 4 plugins in 1 wrapper and 3 in another. The system won't let me add another. No, I don't think BETA is an unfair assessment at all. This is ridiculously UN-user friendly.

there is a second workaround:

you can insert a normal track into the project and call it "master". then select all your tracks in the project and in the properties-panel set the output to your "master"-track. then insert your plugins there, there is no limit then.

the master-section is still valuable as a place for the limiter and LUFS-meter as last things in the chain.

operandx · Post by **operandx** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:31 pm

LOL I was just about to post what Klangbastler said. Also make it a Template, then you don't have to set it up again for every project.

kevinwayne · Post by **kevinwayne** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:50 pm

Thanks for the tips, I'll look into those later. Right now: Can someone please tell me how to split or resize a recorded item? So I don't have to have one old take coming in at the same times as a new. Thanks.

kevinwayne · Post by **kevinwayne** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:12 pm

NEVERMIND: Found Split Tracks. That'll do for now, thanks anyway.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:19 pm

kevinwayne wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:plugins like Nugen Sigmod and Reastream allow you to route audio completely freely to a second 'receiver' plugin
So I'd have to have Reaper open in order to route plugins to the Master track on Tracktion?

This is patently absurd and a design flaw. As far as I'm concerned, all versions of Tracktion & Waveform are Beta until this problem is rectified with a better system. I already have Reaper, why would I want to use it to support another platform?

Well the idea is if you want to use more put them in a rack, which has unlimited space and bonus, also enables you to use more complex routing schemes, and allows you to save your chain for reuse. Because people do often reuse the same few mastering plugins once they have a setup they know works, particularly metering tools, so this saves time and is much more flexible than just expanding how many plugins can go in the master track, you could even have several saved racks for different sets of tools (eg a metering rack etc). Besides if they make it 6 then sooner or later someone is going to complain about that too, the whole point of racks was to get past the limitations of traditional slot based mixers.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:21 pm

klangbastler wrote:
kevinwayne wrote:As of right now I have 4 plugins in 1 wrapper and 3 in another. The system won't let me add another. No, I don't think BETA is an unfair assessment at all. This is ridiculously UN-user friendly.
there is a second workaround:

you can insert a normal track into the project and call it "master". then select all your tracks in the project and in the properties-panel set the output to your "master"-track. then insert your plugins there, there is no limit then.

the master-section is still valuable as a place for the limiter and LUFS-meter as last things in the chain.

Yes that too - you can designate any track as a master functionally - plus there are also sends to play with.

And faceplates for racks.

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Is there a limit on plugins for the Master Channel?