Wavetable synth with full MPE/note expression support
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- KVRian
- 869 posts since 28 Apr, 2002 from Canada
Loving Hive 1.2 + continuum at the moment.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
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- KVRAF
- 8846 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 1 Jul, 2018
I've dug into most of these. Hive is the one that is working the best for me.
What I am finding most useful in MPE synths is:
- some kind of even simple lag processor that I can apply to pressure (otherwise pressure is hard to keep smooth enough to map to volume 100% and have a pleasing result)
- a pretty deep mod matrix so that I can apply the MPE parameters in small amounts of several parameters.. this is a must to make sounds that feel really expressive.
Hive has both of these and works well. Also, v2 is coming and looks even more better-er.
Falcon, I think, would be second. I think it is less of an awesome wavetable synth in execution (the workflow is a lot to deal with) but feels as capable, sound-wise, and you get a good MPE capable sampler, granular sampler and wavetable synth. But it isn't cheap and it is a time investment to get things working. Hive is instant fun.
What I am finding most useful in MPE synths is:
- some kind of even simple lag processor that I can apply to pressure (otherwise pressure is hard to keep smooth enough to map to volume 100% and have a pleasing result)
- a pretty deep mod matrix so that I can apply the MPE parameters in small amounts of several parameters.. this is a must to make sounds that feel really expressive.
Hive has both of these and works well. Also, v2 is coming and looks even more better-er.
Falcon, I think, would be second. I think it is less of an awesome wavetable synth in execution (the workflow is a lot to deal with) but feels as capable, sound-wise, and you get a good MPE capable sampler, granular sampler and wavetable synth. But it isn't cheap and it is a time investment to get things working. Hive is instant fun.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Sounds nice, on my list to buy.
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- u-he
- 28113 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
That's another reason why we're adding buchla-style function generators. So you can have a quick response to pressure, but it "holds" even after you release the key. There's a special lag mode which freezes after key is lifted. I think this is going to be exceptionally useful for MPE controllers.robbmonn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:18 pm - some kind of even simple lag processor that I can apply to pressure (otherwise pressure is hard to keep smooth enough to map to volume 100% and have a pleasing result)
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Hive has both of these and works well. Also, v2 is coming and looks even more better-er.
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- KVRAF
- 25630 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Excellent! I'm glad to hear of a solution for that.Urs wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:40 pmThat's another reason why we're adding buchla-style function generators. So you can have a quick response to pressure, but it "holds" even after you release the key. There's a special lag mode which freezes after key is lifted. I think this is going to be exceptionally useful for MPE controllers.robbmonn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:18 pm - some kind of even simple lag processor that I can apply to pressure (otherwise pressure is hard to keep smooth enough to map to volume 100% and have a pleasing result)
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Hive has both of these and works well. Also, v2 is coming and looks even more better-er.
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 1 Jul, 2018
wow. that’s really fantastic news! very excited. let me know if you need more beta testers. i beta tested the very first zebra release long long long ago w you and atariboy.
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- Suspended
- 16031 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
So what? That's not what he asked for. MPE is a waste of MIDI channels anyway and I didn't realise Sektor had any support at all.Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:53 pmSektors MPE is broken and they are not going to fix it...
Which controller are you using? I have no problem with that on my Rise 25. That's not an MPE-specific thing anyway, just a feature of the Seaboards that works equally well in normal MIDI mode.
There is no such thing as an "MPE parameter", they are just normal MIDI controller signals sent over multiple channels. The "5 dimensions of touch" are separate from MPE. If you think about them that way, you might find it easier to get things working the way you want. e.g. Fool your synth into thinking that Pressure from your controller is really a breath controller and set things up that way. That should also extend the number of instruments you can use with Pressure and the other features beyond just those with MPE support. I never use my RISE in MPE mode and I have all 5 dimensions, plus the sliders and the X-Y pad, available all the time.a pretty deep mod matrix so that I can apply the MPE parameters in small amounts of several parameters.. this is a must to make sounds that feel really expressive.
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- u-he
- 28113 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Hehehe, I remember very well. Those were the times
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Well, you either have an instrument which will, eg., do something with the super-wide pitch bend an MPE controller is built for or you don't.
"There is no such thing as..." is a red herring. Yes, it's pitch bend, pressure, CC74 'timbre' (as though the old 'brightness' in synths) and note off velocity.
If you do not support for instance 'note-off velocity' in the development of your instrument, it's just doing nothing. If it's an instrument limited to a whole tone +/- for pitch bend, there is not a lot going to happen with 'glide' from the MPE controller. Many soft instruments do nothing from pressure/aftertouch.
You could on the other hand build something in any instrument with a filter to use 'CC 74' somewhat; use it brilliantly is another question.
Actually that remark is quite useless.
Also, too I got hip to VE Pro and multiple MIDI ports years ago, so if an instance of Equator uses 16 channels I have another 47 ports (752 ch) if I want.
"There is no such thing as..." is a red herring. Yes, it's pitch bend, pressure, CC74 'timbre' (as though the old 'brightness' in synths) and note off velocity.
If you do not support for instance 'note-off velocity' in the development of your instrument, it's just doing nothing. If it's an instrument limited to a whole tone +/- for pitch bend, there is not a lot going to happen with 'glide' from the MPE controller. Many soft instruments do nothing from pressure/aftertouch.
You could on the other hand build something in any instrument with a filter to use 'CC 74' somewhat; use it brilliantly is another question.
Actually that remark is quite useless.
Also, too I got hip to VE Pro and multiple MIDI ports years ago, so if an instance of Equator uses 16 channels I have another 47 ports (752 ch) if I want.
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- KVRist
- 51 posts since 22 Sep, 2017
The latest beta of Surge has had some major developments on the MPE front.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Updated.
