4:59 the same xDDDD
omg no more energy drinks for me...
Acid 9 NEXT (Audio Separation DAW??)
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Distorted Horizon Distorted Horizon https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=392076 - Banned
- 3878 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats
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- KVRist
- 328 posts since 27 Apr, 2004 from Always here
I had a lot of fun with Acid (the DAW, that is ..) and its nice to see it's still alive. However, I would seriously doubt the mental state of anybody paying $299 for it especially when it comes from Magix and their ridiculous license upgrade policy. You get free updates for a year, but they remove them if you don't upgrade … did I misread it ?
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LaptopMusicianBlog LaptopMusicianBlog https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=442358 - KVRist
- 32 posts since 7 Jun, 2019
The audio separation sounds quite lo-fi to me. I can't see someone using it on a professional release, especially if the music is going to be played on a big PA system, the audio artifacts it leaves will be easily noticeable at loud volumes.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
LOL! did you even listen to the separated-out drums? All those artifacts (which is expected, there is no surprise here), all that hideous phasing...
ludicrous
who would be conned by this assertion 'Audio Separation"? it contains all kind of signal from the other things in the stem, horrendously distorted
A real sign of desperation
ludicrous
who would be conned by this assertion 'Audio Separation"? it contains all kind of signal from the other things in the stem, horrendously distorted
A real sign of desperation
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 6 Nov, 2012
It's noticeable even in the demo video.LaptopMusicianBlog wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:12 am The audio separation sounds quite lo-fi to me. I can't see someone using it on a professional release, especially if the music is going to be played on a big PA system, the audio artifacts it leaves will be easily noticeable at loud volumes.
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LaptopMusicianBlog LaptopMusicianBlog https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=442358
- KVRist
- 32 posts since 7 Jun, 2019
Maybe they target LoFi HipHop producers?jancivil wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:06 am LOL! did you even listen to the separated-out drums? All those artifacts (which is expected, there is no surprise here), all that hideous phasing...
ludicrous
who would be conned by this assertion 'Audio Separation"? it contains all kind of signal from the other things in the stem, horrendously distorted
A real sign of desperation
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- KVRAF
- 2066 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
A couple notes:
1. Audio source separation success is heavily dependent on the input. You can't reverse non-linear processes especially those done to heavily compressed and busy commercial mixes. There is always going to be bleed, phasing, and amplitude variation. You will not get studio quality stems at this time.
2. Audio source separation is computing intensive. Many audio source separation services are done via the cloud. Zynaptiq took 20 minutes for a 3 minute song on my i7. When I put things through PhonicMind or XTRACT Stems it can take upwards of a half hour or more, and they use beefier computing than my workstation.
3. No one will be using the results of any of these in a commercial remix. If you were asked to do a remix you will be given the actual stems.
4. People have used technology like this in commercial releases, white labels/bootlegs, and for performing mash-ups and similar types of cut-up technique music. When the separation is successful enough and especially when you can match the key to another separation, you can do further restoration manually and mask those artefacts in the final mix.
With regards to this product:
I've put a couple commercial mixes through, that I had previously put through PhonicMind and XTRACT Stems. There is one song that is fairly well-separable (very sparse arrangement, vocal, piano, and bass, no drums) and PhonicMind won that one, but all provided good enough. With the busier mixes they could only do so much, and Zynaptiq did best with one of them (vocals and synth were inseparable by others, Zynaptiq's was the cleanest).
With XTRACT Stems, they provide three algorithms, and after you get the separation back, you can adjust between three directions (Drums, Vocals, Music) you want to export. PhonicMind is geared towards making instrumentals for karaoke, so you get vocals and instruments in mp3. Zynaptiq gives you Voice, Drums, and Other, and the results are good enough that the XTRACT-style balancing isn't necessary (less bleed).
If you understand what this tool is best used for, it's really good. It pulls the vocals out particularly well. So you can mash that up on top of whatever other song. There's a lot of low-end and vocal bleed in the "Other" category, but that could work as the bottom of a mash-up with some EQing. The drum extraction is quite good. I wouldn't use them by themself, but they are then easily replaceable with a drum trigger.
I'm impressed. This product runs on your own CPU, you're not dependent on a cloud service, it'll keep working without a subscription. It'll ultimately cost less than PhonicMind since you can throw as much as you want against the wall to see what sticks. XTRACT Stems is a cloud service and they are continuously improving their algorithms. Not sure if Magix will have Zynaptiq do that for this product. But right now it's a top choice for this task. It's a very good pairing with Acid. I have not used Acid for nearly two decades and had zero thought about it since then. But the separation is a perfect match for a cut-up and loop-based workflow. I think Magix has a good read on their target demo with this move.
1. Audio source separation success is heavily dependent on the input. You can't reverse non-linear processes especially those done to heavily compressed and busy commercial mixes. There is always going to be bleed, phasing, and amplitude variation. You will not get studio quality stems at this time.
2. Audio source separation is computing intensive. Many audio source separation services are done via the cloud. Zynaptiq took 20 minutes for a 3 minute song on my i7. When I put things through PhonicMind or XTRACT Stems it can take upwards of a half hour or more, and they use beefier computing than my workstation.
3. No one will be using the results of any of these in a commercial remix. If you were asked to do a remix you will be given the actual stems.
4. People have used technology like this in commercial releases, white labels/bootlegs, and for performing mash-ups and similar types of cut-up technique music. When the separation is successful enough and especially when you can match the key to another separation, you can do further restoration manually and mask those artefacts in the final mix.
With regards to this product:
I've put a couple commercial mixes through, that I had previously put through PhonicMind and XTRACT Stems. There is one song that is fairly well-separable (very sparse arrangement, vocal, piano, and bass, no drums) and PhonicMind won that one, but all provided good enough. With the busier mixes they could only do so much, and Zynaptiq did best with one of them (vocals and synth were inseparable by others, Zynaptiq's was the cleanest).
With XTRACT Stems, they provide three algorithms, and after you get the separation back, you can adjust between three directions (Drums, Vocals, Music) you want to export. PhonicMind is geared towards making instrumentals for karaoke, so you get vocals and instruments in mp3. Zynaptiq gives you Voice, Drums, and Other, and the results are good enough that the XTRACT-style balancing isn't necessary (less bleed).
If you understand what this tool is best used for, it's really good. It pulls the vocals out particularly well. So you can mash that up on top of whatever other song. There's a lot of low-end and vocal bleed in the "Other" category, but that could work as the bottom of a mash-up with some EQing. The drum extraction is quite good. I wouldn't use them by themself, but they are then easily replaceable with a drum trigger.
I'm impressed. This product runs on your own CPU, you're not dependent on a cloud service, it'll keep working without a subscription. It'll ultimately cost less than PhonicMind since you can throw as much as you want against the wall to see what sticks. XTRACT Stems is a cloud service and they are continuously improving their algorithms. Not sure if Magix will have Zynaptiq do that for this product. But right now it's a top choice for this task. It's a very good pairing with Acid. I have not used Acid for nearly two decades and had zero thought about it since then. But the separation is a perfect match for a cut-up and loop-based workflow. I think Magix has a good read on their target demo with this move.
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
I want to see who will buy it just to see that after registration they can't use it because it will ask to register again and then again and again and will always run in demo mode 
I wouldn't give them even a $0.1 after my first and last purchase that I did for Magix.
Beside this I agree with yellowmix. Is this feature really worth it? It gives opportunity to make bootlegs. That's it. With current sample libraries it's not worth to stole from other artists and risk copyright issues where most it can be acquired from sample libraries, loops, drumloops even melody sequence loops.
I wouldn't give them even a $0.1 after my first and last purchase that I did for Magix.
Beside this I agree with yellowmix. Is this feature really worth it? It gives opportunity to make bootlegs. That's it. With current sample libraries it's not worth to stole from other artists and risk copyright issues where most it can be acquired from sample libraries, loops, drumloops even melody sequence loops.