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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:49 pm

Jbravo wrote:try what again?

giving them the link of course

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:52 pm

well if giving links on here is not allowed, that's fair enough. I'm not trying to promote piracy, I was just showing another example of a rogue russian mp3 site....

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:54 pm

The link to the Guardian article.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:56 pm

well I posted a second link to a different russian site, but it didn't appear here - I assumed that's what Spaceman was talking about....

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:56 pm

Jbravo wrote:well if giving links on here is not allowed, that's fair enough. I'm not trying to promote piracy, I was just showing another example of a rogue russian mp3 site....

for f**ks sake mate .. are you english?!?!?!?!? it was obvious no one had bothered reading your link, so I said "let's try that again bravo" meaning, let's give them the link again, maybe they will read it now

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:00 pm

Guys ! Come to our site !
25cent per mb download only !

We have all the VST's and audio software you need !
http://www.russian-mafia.com

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:02 pm

Midiworks wrote:Guys ! Come to our site !
25cent per mb download only !

We have all the VST's and audio software you need !
http://www.russian-mafia.com

http://www.russian-mafia.com/fraude-department/

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:06 pm

Guys, I didn't ask this to be controversial or to post a known illegal site.

I was asking an honest question.

If the administrator thinks it is a problem he is certainly welcome to remove the link.

How could I ask about it without people knowing what the site is.

If the record companies want $1.00 per song you have to know it is too much. I don't know if $0.25 is really too little.

Jazz Franco · Post by **Jazz Franco** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:06 pm

It doesn't seem to be legal to me--they claim they license their content from some rather dubious organization (ie I hardly ever heard of it

) As for the pricing, there may be some tricky things--all the majors, operating in Russia (ie Universal, Sony and EMI) produce special editions of their current chart records and back catalogue, priced at RR149-199 (app. US$5-7), for sale in CIS and Russia exclusively. The difference is the booklets are generally reduced to a simple inlay and all the credits are in Russian. Otherwise they're OK. So, there are ways to decrease costs, obviously.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:10 pm

Jazz Franco wrote:It doesn't seem to be legal to me--they claim they license their content from some rather dubious organization (ie I hardly ever heard of it ) As for the pricing, there may be some tricky things--all the majors, operating in Russia (ie Universal, Sony and EMI) produce special editions of their current chart records and back catalogue, priced at RR149-199 (app. US$5-7), for sale in CIS and Russia exclusively. The difference is the booklets are generally reduced to a simple inlay and all the credits are in Russian. Otherwise they're OK. So, there are ways to decrease costs, obviously.

the link jbravo posted explains more

Jazz Franco · Post by **Jazz Franco** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:11 pm

PT wrote:
If the administrator thinks it is a problem he is certainly welcome to remove the link.

Well, it's certainly no problem for the Guardian--they have the link to the site in the bottom of their page posted here

Jazz Franco · Post by **Jazz Franco** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:17 pm

spaceman wrote:
Jazz Franco wrote:It doesn't seem to be legal to me--they claim they license their content from some rather dubious organization (ie I hardly ever heard of it ) As for the pricing, there may be some tricky things--all the majors, operating in Russia (ie Universal, Sony and EMI) produce special editions of their current chart records and back catalogue, priced at RR149-199 (app. US$5-7), for sale in CIS and Russia exclusively. The difference is the booklets are generally reduced to a simple inlay and all the credits are in Russian. Otherwise they're OK. So, there are ways to decrease costs, obviously.
the link jbravo posted explains more

more what?
I've read the disclaimer on their russian page, that's where I got what I think to be dubious. Here, legally you have to license music either from a record company or from RAO (Russian Authors' Society), in case the writer/performer hold the rights themselves (and are members of RAO which they usually are).

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:18 pm

Jazz Franco wrote:
PT wrote:
If the administrator thinks it is a problem he is certainly welcome to remove the link.

Well, it's certainly no problem for the Guardian--they have the link to the site in the bottom of their page posted here

as they said in the article, it comes don't to your own consciousness. according to Russian law it's legal (even though they use some loophole) which of course doesn't make it fair to the musicians and record companies.

so you won't be breaking the law but you will be guilty of *stealing* from the people who owe the music

Sielsynth · Post by **Sielsynth** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:21 pm

Jazz Franco wrote:

Well, it's certainly no problem for the Guardian--they have the link to the site in the bottom of their page posted here

You're right, I read the article and they seem to be all for it. Of course I'm sure they are not any kind of legal authority. It at least seems legal for now. Someone mentioned the PayPal payment option was down. I think this is probably the only way I would participate. Oh well, I guess we'll see how long they stick around.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:36 pm

ok I'll try giving you that other link again and hope I don't get banned - http://club.mp3search.ru

Is this music download site legal ?