U-he MPE support

[Viktor [TUC]]

[...] And the problem with the mod wheel on the Linnstrument is DAW-independent (same issue in Live as Bitwig), so it is definitely on the Diva.

As you can imagine, I'm assuming differently, since I don't have such a problem with the controllers that are available to me. Until we know what the Linnstrument is actually sending to the DAW, I can't help much.
Could you maybe record a bit of "playing around" in your DAW, with lots of modwheel action, and send it over to support[at]u-he.com? Then we could take a look.

Viktor
u-he team

[Tj Shredder]

Nothing had been said about the concrete settings in Bitwig. Is the track inspector set to channel all -> same? Is the PB range is set to +-48 and locked? If I then set my LinnStrument to send CC1 instead of CC74, all works here as expected (per voice modulation).
Of course, if I want to have a global mod wheel, I do need to pass this to all voices by channel...
It would be a good idea to implement the complete MPE spec. Its fun to tweak sounds with breath controllers or a Touché. In this case the cc doubling would be a bit of a pain...

[Echoes in the Attic]

This thread is really confusing. It started with someone trying to figure out how to do per voice pitch bend and then two other people had different mod wheel related problems. The first seemed to want to use the mod wheel normally (globally) while in mpe mode and the other seemed to want to use the Y axis expression to trigger the mod wheel (per voice). If I understood correctly.

Well I just did some tests and everything seems to work as expected. For the most part. All expressions, pressure, CC74 and pitch worked fine in mpe. Mod wheel also worked normally no matter how I sent it. If I assigned Y axis to cc1 then the mod wheel responded to y axis movements (regardless of main channel being on or not!). If I kept that ass CC74 and set low row to be cc1 then that sent mod wheel normally (also regardless of main channel setting). So I can't seem to make it not work.

I don't think setting Y axis to cc1 is a great way to go with repro though because unless I'm mistaken, it only takes one mod wheel expression (global, not per voice), so the different cc1 messages seem to conflict the mod wheel on repro and it becomes jumpy. A per voice mod wheel mode would be nice. Someone said this was the case with Hive? Can anyone confirm this is not possible with Repro?

[brandon9271]

I just wanted to chim in and say that I'm having the same problem with the mod wheel in Hive and the Linnstrument. I can see the mod wheel moving in the GUI but it only has an effect on every 8th note because of the "round robin" note rotation. CC1 seem to only be working on notes played on Channel 1. It behaves the same in Bitwig and Sonar X3. Perhaps I'm missing something.

EDIT Nevermind. I have everything working correctly in Bitwig. Not sure what I was doing wrong but, disregard

[jacobh]

Any chance Zebra 3 will support MPE?

If so, any idea when Zebra 3 will arrive? From what I've read its eminent release has been planned for years.

Thanks!
Jacob

[Urs]

Zebra3 has mostly been a rumour since the day Zebra2 was released. That is, people were talking about Zebra3 since 2006. Afaiaa the first posts actually happened before the windows version of Zebra2 was released.

After 6 years of this, in 2012, we acknowledged that we slowly making plans for such an update, but it won't be imminent at all, to put an end to the rumours and to tell people that Zebra2 wasn't going away anytime soon. That post was maybe a bit overly optimistic in tone, as people misread it as an "announcement", rather than "we might actually start the development process later this year".

But then, Diva became such a successful product that the whole company had to change (from 3 peeps to 15 in 5 years), and thus things kept delaying.

About 3 years ago we changed our stance on sales - from "never" to "rare key moments" - in order to break out of the spiral of having to delay developments. That is, creating more revenue from existing projects reduces the need to come up with new stuff quickly to pay the bills. And because Zebra3 isn't the only thing that has ever been discussed aka "promised", we started a process of finalising some long term projects with Hive and Uhbik before we actually want to go fully into Zebra3 development, hopefully this year (start of main focus, not release date).

But yes, full MPE support is planned for Zebra3.

[pdxindy]

But yes, full MPE support is planned for Zebra3.

Does that mean master channel and release velocity will be added? It would be awesome if Z3 would also have expression curves for the MPE modulators.

[Fannon]

This thread helped me to get this working for my situation. Thanks to everyone here!

For Bitwig I re-created the chain device. I'm using the XYZ bar as a mod-wheel replacement (Z = Modwheel, X = CC1, Y = CC3). I noticed if I send those out to all channels, the LinnStrument starts lagging and cannot handle sending out so many messages at the same time. So this Bitwig device takes those three MIDI CC and distributes it to all channels. I decided to go an indirection via a Macro Knob, so it's easy to re-wire or change how much the MIDI CC is affected.

Here's a screenshot and the device. Please adjust to your own preferences / needs:

2023-04-09 08_30_57-Bitwig Studio - New 2.png

MIDI CC Omni Channel.zip

For Reaper (I use it for jamming / quick startup), I found this ReaJS script to work well: https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php?p ... stcount=17

@Urs: You wrote somewhere that you don't see the reason why you shouldn't just treat every note as its completely own channel? To me, the MPE interpretation makes more sense because I want some of the MIDI CC parameters to be sent and applied globally. And only some of MIDI CC to be applied per note. Then you get a nice mix between global, more consistent control and individual note control. Also the example with the LinnStrument shows that sending out central MIDI CC like Modwheel to all channels at the same time may be too much to do for some instruments or maybe even run into limits with MIDI transmission speed?

[mozart999uk]

Hi all. With the latest update to DIVA including MPE support, I just wondered how people are working with CC74 data from a ROLI (or similar). What are you mapping it to and how?