Waveform 11.0.36 Public Beta Available

[astey]

Thanks for the feedback. The "learn automation" was a silly error, I'll have that fixed for the next release.
I think the GUI freeze when changing presets is to do with the number of parameters a plugin has? Do you notice this takes longer with plugins that have very large numbers of parameters?

Not really unfortunately, there could be a relation between freezes and parameters, but its one of many.
Example:

• Arturia plate reverb has around 15 parameters, but freezes the gui for 4+ seconds by swapping presets via browser every single time. (On a fast pc with nvme ssd)
• Akai Vip: I disabled parameter names when changing preset of Akai Vip vst. So, it sends just new values for existing parameters. The amount of updated values represents a single synth. But W11 freezes like shown in the video.

Most impressive are freezes by using „browser - apply“. Basically, browsing presets freezes the gui permanently. Especially with sandbox.

[operandx]

Example:

• Arturia plate reverb has around 15 parameters, but freezes the gui for 4+ seconds by swapping presets via browser every single time. (On a fast pc with nvme ssd)

Not much help to you but I personally have NEVER experienced this issue with REV PLATE-140 in W11 on Windows10.

[astey]

Example:

• Arturia plate reverb has around 15 parameters, but freezes the gui for 4+ seconds by swapping presets via browser every single time. (On a fast pc with nvme ssd)

Not much help to you but I personally have NEVER experienced this issue with REV PLATE-140 in W11 on Windows10.

Initial loading vs using program change vs changing preset vs swapping plugin with different preset?

There need to be additional information: pc specs, resolution, sandbox enabled, opengl and so on to provide real value

[operandx]

Example:

• Arturia plate reverb has around 15 parameters, but freezes the gui for 4+ seconds by swapping presets via browser every single time. (On a fast pc with nvme ssd)

Not much help to you but I personally have NEVER experienced this issue with REV PLATE-140 in W11 on Windows10.

Initial loading vs using program change vs changing preset vs swapping plugin with different preset?

There need to be additional information: pc specs, resolution, sandbox enabled, opengl and so on to provide real value

You are the one with the problem, not me! I suggest you post a bug report with the devs listing those things (if you have not already done so.)

For what its worth I have a fairly lowly i5-8400, 8 Gig RAM running on board graphics. I thought your problem was with changing presets within the program in which case I have never had a problem with that (Sandboxing off or on). I have never had a problem with automating the parameters either. Program change? It's not a synth.

[astey]

Example:

• Arturia plate reverb has around 15 parameters, but freezes the gui for 4+ seconds by swapping presets via browser every single time. (On a fast pc with nvme ssd)

Not much help to you but I personally have NEVER experienced this issue with REV PLATE-140 in W11 on Windows10.

Initial loading vs using program change vs changing preset vs swapping plugin with different preset?

There need to be additional information: pc specs, resolution, sandbox enabled, opengl and so on to provide real value

You are the one with the problem, not me! I suggest you post a bug report with the devs listing those things (if you have not already done so.).For what its worth I have a fairly lowly i5-8400, 8 Gig RAM running on board graphics. I thought your problem was with changing presets within the program in which case I have never had a problem with that (Sandboxing off or on). I have never had a problem with automating the parameters either. Program change? It's not a synth.

I don't have problems switching presets within the Plate-140 either.

I'm talking about using the browser function called "apply" (as well as swapping/replacing VSTs completely.)
The "apply"-function of Waveform unloads a VST. Then loads a new instance of the same or different VST with parameters stored in W11 database.

[operandx]

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I always save presets within Plate-140. Are you using the vst3 version then? Having had a quick go at this. As long as the target track is selected and preset name is double clicked, the plugin or preset is swapped pretty much instantaneously on my system.

Edit: mind you I wouldn't want to use this method just to change a preset anyway.

[astey]

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I always save presets within Plate-140. Are you using the vst3 version then? Having had a quick go at this. As long as the target track is selected and preset name is double clicked, the plugin or preset is swapped pretty much instantaneously on my system.

Edit: mind you I wouldn't want to use this method just to change a preset anyway.

This is why I believe its very important:

Why fast preset handling is important - My personal experience:

Browser - "Apply" is one of those features most users "don't know, that they're actually craving for it".
Its one of the most powerful features/principles, which elevates a good producer to an incredible producer quickly.

Most people are looking for sounds like this:
They open their most used VST or folder and try preset by preset. Or they got a favorite sound pack they always go to. If they find something "decent"/good they are happy with it. As a result, tracks become more or less happy accidents.

But imagine, you could get exactly the sound you need, the sound you want - the sound you got playing in your head - directly into your production! Imagine you got this tool, that presents you exactly that sound! A tool that pinpoints to the presets that you actually want to listen to. A tool that searches your whole computer and finds those sounds from (forgotten) VSTs. This is what the database and "apply" feature allows you to do!

You got a crisp analog poly pluck on your mind, that is missing your production? Click on some tags and you are presented with all those presets you own.
You are mixing a record for a band and looking for that smooth silky amp with a little bit of delay on top? This is what you can browse through with a couple of clicks.

While most users look though Guitar Rig 5 preset by preset, top to bottom...
But you can browser through amp simulations from Waves, NI, Overloud ... and so on, simultaneously and most of all: with precision.

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Personal workflow:
Described workflow/feature boosted the quality of (my) work tremendously. Since one year, I'm building a database of all presets I own and it shows incredible results already. I used Bitwig's database of presets extensively (, but the DAW is limited in other ways. Cubase offers a comprehensive database too). This is one of the core features, why I'm getting into Tracktion instead of for example Reaper, Studio One, Ableton or Fl Studio.

This is why I'm so keen on a fluid & fast loading process of presets. Because it boosts creativity!

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Addendum:
This is why my most valued request is a tweak to be able to use "apply" on VST basis like on track basis. A small enhancement that means the world to me. Select a VST in the mixer (instead of a whole track) to browse and "apply"/replace presets instantly.
Haven't posted that idea yet, because I haven't mastered Tracktion yet. This tweak would be spectacular!

Cheers

[astey]

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