Especially relevant for those who compose and mix their own material or are involved in both stages of another's work.Lairyboy wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:10 pm An interesting discussion, and an understanding of the phenomena may lead to better mixes in some circumstances. Reducing the eq of the masking sound at a particular frequency may not lead to the masked sound being perceived as clearly (or at all) due to frequency proximity or harmonics. Instruments tend to, or can be made to sit in their own sonic spaces, though. If minor parts are not heard even after 'traditional eq unmasking' they are not adding anything to the mix and should be removed or the original masking sound is too loud at the same time as and should be reduced for the duration of the masked sound. Instances like this could be considered a composition problem rather than a mixing problem.
Unmasking Filters
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- KVRian
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- 965 posts since 12 May, 2019
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 965 posts since 12 May, 2019
Just want to add to this.
What about taking pitch information from Melodyne and having filters track to that? I know we have pitch tracking filters - I'm finishing a track that uses it - but is there a way to make use of information from Melodyne?
For instance, microtuning is trendy right now. Speaking of which, has Melda heard about MTS-ESP? Anyway, Melodyne Editor (and up) has ways to extract and edit scales extensively.
https://gearspace.com/board/new-product ... ystem.html
Microtuning might be slightly off-topic here but what I'm saying is that Melodyne generates a lot of information. Since it's largely used on lead instruments, maybe Melda can harness some of it and create complimentary products or extend existing ones; maybe using ARA2.
In short, pitch tracking is good but maybe there's another way. I think Melodyne can convert to MIDI and aren't Melda filters midi-controllable? Some kind of drag-and-drop would be convenient, though I think it'd have to involve the host somehow.
Finally, with regard to unmasking filters, since those bars in the image represent the masker, maybe complimentary EQ could boost asymmetrically. In other words, when cutting a masker, another EQ could create a mirrored bell - this already exists - but maybe the mirrored bell would work better with a different shape: an asymmetrical one.
I'm writing in the Austin Kleon spirit of 'scenus' where just throwing ideas into a community might help them grow. If any of this is garbage, that's just part of the process. Thanks.
What about taking pitch information from Melodyne and having filters track to that? I know we have pitch tracking filters - I'm finishing a track that uses it - but is there a way to make use of information from Melodyne?
For instance, microtuning is trendy right now. Speaking of which, has Melda heard about MTS-ESP? Anyway, Melodyne Editor (and up) has ways to extract and edit scales extensively.
https://gearspace.com/board/new-product ... ystem.html
Microtuning might be slightly off-topic here but what I'm saying is that Melodyne generates a lot of information. Since it's largely used on lead instruments, maybe Melda can harness some of it and create complimentary products or extend existing ones; maybe using ARA2.
In short, pitch tracking is good but maybe there's another way. I think Melodyne can convert to MIDI and aren't Melda filters midi-controllable? Some kind of drag-and-drop would be convenient, though I think it'd have to involve the host somehow.
Finally, with regard to unmasking filters, since those bars in the image represent the masker, maybe complimentary EQ could boost asymmetrically. In other words, when cutting a masker, another EQ could create a mirrored bell - this already exists - but maybe the mirrored bell would work better with a different shape: an asymmetrical one.
I'm writing in the Austin Kleon spirit of 'scenus' where just throwing ideas into a community might help them grow. If any of this is garbage, that's just part of the process. Thanks.