RePro-5 Questions

[AnX]

noted, I'll try and think twice before throwing my "humour" out in your threads in future

no harm meant (not even to the person I was replying to)

[Urs]

[e-crooner]

KVR...

Just to expand, the Prophet-5 had weird voice assignment logic where (something like) if the first voice you played was the middle C on the keyboard, any time you played that note again, it would try to assign that to voice 1 (doesn't always work that way because voice 1 may be assigned to another note already in use, but it tries). And if the second note you played was the D above that, it would assign that to voice 2 and try to reallocate that voice in the future whenever that particular note was held if available. So you don't get round robin voice assignment on a Prophet 5 Rev's 1-3. It tries to use up the same voices as often as it can.

This will also effect voice stealing, because let's say Voice 1 was assigned to C4 and A3, and you were holding down A3, let go, had a long release, then played a C4, that A3 would cut out as Voice 1 would get reassigned to C4.

And the calibration of any of those voices can be slightly off. So like the tuning of voice 1 can be slightly flat, and voice 2 slightly sharp, the filter cutoff may not be exactly on pitch, etc. You'd very frequently end up having those notes be slightly flat/sharp on repeated playing due to the voice allocation method.

That does sound a bit weird. Luckily soft synths usually have those things implemented in a reasonable way

I watched a video on the new P5 yesterday, it sure does have a nice sound, especially on low and mid frequencies, very tight, no wonder the P5 was used by Rufus, Doobie Brothers, and such funky bands.

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amateur

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apologies, the reply was to this remark

And f**k KVR. Amateurs.

i got the users mixed up, my bad

feel free to delete, or report to a real mod and apply for a ban.

I forgot the whole thing, I must say. But it's always the same on KVR; if I don't pay attention then the odds are high that the editor won't take my first input. It has nothing to do with what has been posted afaiac.

[excuse me please]

PS Ghe I never reacted in this thread. The Todd Rundgren thread is the proof: it has the same comment of me. Confusing, yes. Not for me; I'm 100% sure.

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So I reacted in this following thread and noticed my comment was messed up while I am sure that I had posted under < quote >

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[mrj1nx]

Hello! I'm gonna piggyback on this thread with some Repro-5 Questions as I just started using it again after a bit of a pause.

1. Is there any plans to add a P5 rev2 filter (it's a 2-pole iirc, that would make Repro-5 even more versatile)
2. I think I heard something about 2 additional mod-matrix slots being in the plan somewhere? Any updates?
3. This is my fave softsynth, sounds so good! (Diva #2) Much love!

[Urs]

There's no immediate plan for a Rev2 filter as there's also no Rev2 available for dissection, and unfortunately an expert who has our confidence is not convinced of the sound of the corresponding mode in the Prophet 5 Rev 4.

More ModMatrix slots are definitely something we want to do, but we can't say when while we're busy with other projects (ARM updates, Uhbik, Zebra).

[EvilDragon]

Rev2 filter is not a 2-pole.

[Urs]

Yeah, that it is not, of course.

[MitchK1989]

Repro-5 sees a ton of use over here - I think it would lose part of it's charm if its feature set expanded too much (I have diva for when I really need a bandpass filter instead of lowpass for example) but a couple more matrix slots sounds like a nice little bonus (And the UI improvements to the matrix slots in the ARM betas to display the modifiers are excellent)

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

While I'd like a new Rev 2 filter mode, or even the 2140 mode of the Rev 4 (it's got a bit more gain, different vibe, but I prefer the Curtis myself in most instances), they wouldn't top my RePro wishlist. The full extent of my RePro-5 wishlist would be:

1. More mod matrix slots (2 extra would be appreciated, but a total of 8 would be amazing)

2. More slop-related trimmers controlled by Voice Detune. I envision 3 voice-level trimmers: Envelope timing slop depth, Tuning slop depth, and filter cutoff+res slop depth. Then tie these into the "Voice Detune" knob on page 1 which will act as the global depth control for these tweaks. This way the default values can remain, but if users wanted more tuning slop without effecting filter cutoff, or more filter and envelope slop without effecting tuning, they could go to the Tweaks page to increase the slop depth for those specific items only. In the Rev 4 these are all wrapped up into the Vintage knob, but sometimes it's like "oh shit, I like what it's doing to the filter cutoff but hate what it's doing to tuning and envelope timing because this one voice is totally flat and just decays too fast." I think RePro being software could better that.

3. A 10 voice mode with an added Poly-Unison mode (this is cool on the Rev4 - you basically get two Prophet-5's stacked - CPU be damned!)

[Howard]

^FWIW I like these suggestions

[Sidom]

Repro-5 sees a ton of use over here - I think it would lose part of it's charm if its feature set expanded too much <...>

Repro-5 is my favorite soft synth and I totally agree with you. I've seen a couple of threads with requests to add more and more features to Repro and, to be fair, I don't see the point in this trend that every soft synth should be a some kind of super-synth with 12 oscillators, 15 filters, 25 LFOs, bunch of FX and 30 000 presets, etc.

I have always preferred simple synths with good sound, "character" and limited feature set to complex synths with unlimited possibilities for a couple of reasons:

1. I can MIDI map almost every parameter of a simple synth to my MIDI controller with lots of knobs, which means that I'm able to have an almost hardware like knob-per-function control of a VST synth.

2. Limitations make me more creative. Whenever I demo a complex synth, I always feel overwhelmed with options and possibilities. Making sounds from INIT seems daunting and I simply don't have the time and patience to surf through presets in search of a patch that I might find interesting and inspiring.
In contrast, I make all the sounds from scratch almost every time I use simple synths like Repro because it is so easy to program great sounds that work in any genre.

3. I find that making two fairly simple sounds with Repro, then layering them together, touching them up with some FX (separately and/or as a group) or even throwing them in the sampler for further processing, tends to give me more interesting results in the end, rather than trying to make the most complex sound possible with a single powerful synth.

While I'd like a new Rev 2 filter mode, or even the 2140 mode of the Rev 4 (it's got a bit more gain, different vibe, but I prefer the Curtis myself in most instances), they wouldn't top my RePro wishlist. The full extent of my RePro-5 wishlist would be:

1. More mod matrix slots (2 extra would be appreciated, but a total of 8 would be amazing)

2. More slop-related trimmers controlled by Voice Detune. I envision 3 voice-level trimmers: Envelope timing slop depth, Tuning slop depth, and filter cutoff+res slop depth. Then tie these into the "Voice Detune" knob on page 1 which will act as the global depth control for these tweaks. This way the default values can remain, but if users wanted more tuning slop without effecting filter cutoff, or more filter and envelope slop without effecting tuning, they could go to the Tweaks page to increase the slop depth for those specific items only. In the Rev 4 these are all wrapped up into the Vintage knob, but sometimes it's like "oh shit, I like what it's doing to the filter cutoff but hate what it's doing to tuning and envelope timing because this one voice is totally flat and just decays too fast." I think RePro being software could better that.

3. A 10 voice mode with an added Poly-Unison mode (this is cool on the Rev4 - you basically get two Prophet-5's stacked - CPU be damned!)

Personally, I don't think Repro-5 needs any more filters as there's 4 already available and they sound distinctive enough to broaden the sonic palette of the synth.

Extra modulation matrix slots would come in handy, although I'm not certain Repro-5 needs a lot of them. I use Live 11 Standard which easily lets you have as many LFOs and modulation Envelopes as you'd like. I've read that Bitwig also has powerful modulation system, and if I remember correctly, Reaper is also no slouch when it comes to VST parameter modulation. I haven't tried other DAWs, though.

I concur that it would be great to have 3 trimmers in the Tweaks page for tuning, filter and envelope slop control. There's definitely no need to go overboard with this though (like Synapse did with Obsession). Just keep it simple - I think 3 trimmers would be perfect.

Either way, Repro is a fantastic and capable synth as-is, but I definitely like those suggestions.

[MitchK1989]

the problem with using the modulators built into a DAW is that they're monophonic, but you're right that bitwig can expand repro's feature set a lot all on its own.