Stratus and Symphony are getting an update

[Boy Wonder]

It amazes me how reverb plugins can cost an arm and a leg. Along with the Exponential stuff, you have Nugen which you'd have to rob a bank to own. I suppose the technology warrants it.

[jens]

That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.
Michael Carnes by the way cashed out with iZotope and retired.
I would have done the same.

That is easily one of the dumbest, nonsensical replies I read in a looooong time.

Complete facepalm, really!

[martinjuenke]

That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.
Michael Carnes by the way cashed out with iZotope and retired.
I would have done the same.

That is easily one of the dumbest, nonsensical replies I read in a looooong time.

Complete facepalm, really!

You're welcome.
I feel exactly like you.
This seems to be the beginning of a good friendship.

[jens]

Sometimes I am really not sure whether you're a brilliant troll or really such a nitwit.

[jens]

I suppose the technology warrants it.

That's what they all want to make you believe.

I have a couple of Nugen plugin (Focus Elements) which I got on the cheap (well, relatively speaking at least)... tiny GUIs and VST3 only.
Since I never use them I can't say much else about them. (I barely ever use the Exponential Audio stuff neither by the way... )

But these companies certainly tend to be able to get away with stuff smaller companies would get utterly flamed for.

[whyterabbyt]

That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.

Evidence please.

[martinjuenke]

That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.

Evidence please.

Stratus and Symphony are available as stereo versions as well.

R4 and Nimbus are abandoned, Symphony and Stratus are their updated successors.

[whyterabbyt]

That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.

Evidence please.

Stratus and Symphony are available as stereo versions as well.
Therefore mcbpete is correct.

PS:R4 and Nimbus are abandoned, Symphony and Stratus are their updated successors.

But the statement you are claiming was 'incorrect' wasnt actually about which products were and were not available. It was about their evolution, as different generations of reverb engine.

[martinjuenke]

That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.

Evidence please.

Stratus and Symphony are available as stereo versions as well.
Therefore mcbpete is correct.

PS:R4 and Nimbus are abandoned, Symphony and Stratus are their updated successors.

But the statement you are claiming was 'incorrect' wasnt actually about which products were and were not available. It was about their evolution, as different generations of reverb engine.

I said: That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.
I kindly ask to mind the difference between present tense and past tense.

[whyterabbyt]

I said: That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.
I kindly ask to mind the difference between present tense and past tense.

I know what you said, Im asking for evidence that what you said is true.
Why is that hard for you to provide?

Also; the difference between present tense and paste tense isnt that a more distant past gets changed by a more recent past.

In other words, the original generational evolution of a reverb engine cant actually get changed in any way by the introduction of later variants of those engines. Because it had already happened.
But that's what you're actually claiming.

[martinjuenke]

I said: That statement is completely outdated and no longer correct.
I kindly ask to mind the difference between present tense and past tense.

I know what you said, Im asking for evidence that what you said is true.
Why is that hard for you to provide?

Also; the difference between present tense and paste tense isnt that a more distant past gets changed by a more recent past.

In other words, the original generational evolution of a reverb engine cant actually get changed in any way by the introduction of later variants of those engines. Because it had already happened.
But that's what you're actually claiming.

I really don't understand why this has become so complicated.
Evidence: look at the current product portfolio of iZotope.

PS: if you absolutely need to have the last word in a ridiculous dispute,
please make now your statement.

[whyterabbyt]

I really don't understand why this has become so complicated.
Evidence: look at the current product portfolio of iZotope.

But he statement was about the generational evolution of the engine, not what's in the portfolio.

I think its very clear now that you didnt actually understand the statement in the first place.

PS: if you absolutely need to have the last word in a ridiculous dispute,
please make now your statement.

Yes, people who need to have the last word frequently try that one.

[jens]

I really don't understand why this has become so complicated.

Not complicated - just tiresome and unnecessarily quasi-controversial - because you (for whatever questionable reason) decided to do so.

The issue is actually really simple. Mcbpete asked the question whether his assumption that Symphony and Stratus are newer generations that R4 and Nimbus was correct.

I explained why it isn't. Then you chimed in - which there was absolutely NO NEED for.

The thing is:

R4 is an enhanced and updated version of R2. Symphony is not an enhanced and updated version of R4, except it offers Surround. Otherwise both share the exact same engine - which is the point of it all. That was the case back in 2018 and that is the case now.


And with Phoenix and Nimbus and Stratus it is the exact same thing. The only difference (updated GUI aside) between Nimbus and Stratus is that the latter can do Surround. That was the case in 2018 and that is the case now.

So:

Mcbpete by all appearance assumed that Stratus was superior to Nimbus (multi-channel capabilites nonwithstanding) because it was a newer, updated/enhanced version of it, which was not the case in 2018 and is not the case now. I took the liberty of clearing that up.

Mcbpete by all appearance assumed that Symphony was superior to R4 (multi-channel capabilites nonwithstanding) because it was a newer, updated/enhanced version of it, which was not the case in 2018 and is not the case now. I took the liberty of clearing that up.


All you did was doing your best to confuse the matter with OT nonsense, absurdity and general obtuseness. You added absolutely nothing of any value to the matter at hand.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I don't want to jump into anyone else's bickering but Stratus and Symphony ARE the newer versions of those plugins and ARE superior in the sense that Izotope will keep supporting them (and they have multichannel capabilities). So it feels a bit like misinformation to say they're not based on some weird technicality about the engines being the same. That's not really relevant if you're, say a Mac user that wants to get the Nimbus/R4 in the future.

[revvy]

I don't want to jump into anyone else's bickering but Stratus and Symphony ARE the newer versions of those plugins and ARE superior in the sense that Izotope will keep supporting them (and they have multichannel capabilities). So it feels a bit like misinformation to say they're not based on some weird technicality about the engines being the same. That's not really relevant if you're, say a Mac user that wants to get the Nimbus/R4 in the future.

So in a nutshell, you’re saying something that will work (for a Mac user) is superior to something identical that won’t?

I can dig it.