Undo doesn't work on volume changes

[tmaworks]

I usually do mixing adjustments by editing track level in the actions panel. So, I have to read the original value and typing in a different value. Then I usually remember how much I cahanged, say 2 dB. This way it's easy to change it back to the original value.

Well, I suppose that's one way of going about it...

Thanks.

What about panning?? -Not as big of a deal with that, I guess...

[tmaworks]

What DAW are you mixing in now?

Are you using Waveform at all anymore?

Now I'm testing Reaper.

Reaper -Am I never going to escape you??

OMG.

Reaper is so convoluted. So NOT user friendly. I absolutely cannot stand it for anything, but tracking and light mixing -Even doing all those, I'd rather not. But, given the lack of basic undo functions in waveform, what other choice do you have?? I tried Cakewalk and the new version makes makes my computer crash, so that's a no-go (I have an old version of sonar LE -Don't know what the limitations on that are, but whatever. I'll find out...). Tried Podium just now and that is BRILLIANT, and the undo functions act like you want them to EXCEPT -they don't apply to plugin parameters, either. So, kind of a similar handicap there... Downloaded Soundbridge and I hate the way it looks, but it is unlimited so I'm gonna check it out. Tried Ardour, too, but that has a bit of a learning curve with all of it's windows and such -Still, NOTHING like the learning curve in reaper, though... I might even try LMMS -Just track in reaper and do all editing and mixing in there. We'll see... All about finding the easiest thing. I CAN NOT edit in Reaper -Too difficult for me...

Right now, the best combination i can come up with is: Reaper for tracking and mixing, Waveform for comping and editing...

That is all.

Best of luck.

Please share any revelations.

Thanks.

[TWfriend]

Another option would be to save a 'base' version and then open a new edit of the song. So, even with adjustments you don't like, you can always go back to the 'base' version to start again. Or, you can make notes of what adjustments were made with the 'notes' plugin that will list off the adjustments you made.

[tmaworks]

Another option would be to save a 'base' version and then open a new edit of the song. So, even with adjustments you don't like, you can always go back to the 'base' version to start again. Or, you can make notes of what adjustments were made with the 'notes' plugin that will list off the adjustments you made.

Well, I appreciate the workaround!! -But this is quite a lot of work to make up for something that one would expect to be a basic function of any professional mixing DAW -Should Waveform implement this simple feature, then it would be my full time DAW of choice, but with out it, I'm left spending a lot of time doing things like this...

Thank you, though.

[Watchful]

You can replace the Waveform plugins with others geared for pan and volume.

It would be ideal for Tracktion to fix the issue, of course. And it's obviously a fair amount of work to do this on every track, but you're not forced to use Waveform's.

[tmaworks]

You can replace the Waveform plugins with others geared for pan and volume.

It would be ideal for Tracktion to fix the issue, of course. And it's obviously a fair amount of work to do this on every track, but you're not forced to use Waveform's.

That was my thought initially - But, then I noticed that the undo function does not work for changes that you make to third party plugins, either. So, kind of right back to where we started there... I think that in some DAWS there is a way to change this in the settings?? Is there, perhaps, an "apply undo function to all plugins" or something?

I hate to bag on about this, but it really is a huge hindrance for me in coming over to what is otherwise a MAGNIFICENT piece of software that I've taken to in pretty much every other way...

[jabe]

Right, I've just had an idea that might help, though it does sound a bit silly. It might do the job you want.

Every time you want to make adjustments to volume or panning, add another volume+pan plug-in to the track and adjust that instead of the original. If you want to go back to the original settings, just delete the second instance of the volume+pan plug-in.

There is a slight danger that you could end up with a whole string of volume+pan plug-ins on every track...

[tmaworks]

Right, I've just had an idea that might help, though it does sound a bit silly. It might do the job you want.

Every time you want to make adjustments to volume or panning, add another volume+pan plug-in to the track and adjust that instead of the original. If you want to go back to the original settings, just delete the second instance of the volume+pan plug-in.

There is a slight danger that you could end up with a whole string of volume+pan plug-ins on every track...

Well, I mean... it's worth a shot, I guess??

That's just... too much, I think...

Unfortunately (and this is a BIG unfortunately...) I think I'm gonna be stuck mixing in Reaper.

For me, it's not just about the volume and pan functions - But, I'm experimenting with different plugins so often and "undo" is just kind of part and parcel with that whole process...

Track/ record in Reaper, Edit/ nudge/ comp in Waveform, then back to Reaper for mixing duties.

What a pain.

Thanks Traction for getting 90% there!!

[Barth1]

What DAW are you mixing in now?

Are you using Waveform at all anymore?

Now I'm testing Reaper.

Reaper -Am I never going to escape you??

OMG.

Reaper is so convoluted. So NOT user friendly. I absolutely cannot stand it for anything, but tracking and light mixing -Even doing all those, I'd rather not. But, given the lack of basic undo functions in waveform, what other choice do you have?? I tried Cakewalk and the new version makes makes my computer crash, so that's a no-go (I have an old version of sonar LE -Don't know what the limitations on that are, but whatever. I'll find out...).

I agree, Reaper is not easy to use. It also has long menus and in my opinion somewhat chaotic.
The advantage is that it is very customizable and once you learn how to insert functions into the toolbar and customize the shortcuts, customize utilities, etc., everything seems easier.

I also really like Cakewalk, but I've always had technical problems, sometimes strange sounds appeared, some days they appeared, other days not, plus other problems, time passed and I was more pending of the problems than of making music, until sadly I had to abandon it.

[Barth1]

I want to thank you for the solutions that all of you have written,
although it seems like a lot of added work.

In any case I appreciate your comments.

[tmaworks]

What DAW are you mixing in now?

Are you using Waveform at all anymore?

Now I'm testing Reaper.

Reaper -Am I never going to escape you??

OMG.

Reaper is so convoluted. So NOT user friendly. I absolutely cannot stand it for anything, but tracking and light mixing -Even doing all those, I'd rather not. But, given the lack of basic undo functions in waveform, what other choice do you have?? I tried Cakewalk and the new version makes makes my computer crash, so that's a no-go (I have an old version of sonar LE -Don't know what the limitations on that are, but whatever. I'll find out...).

I agree, Reaper is not easy to use. It also has long menus and in my opinion somewhat chaotic.
The advantage is that it is very customizable and once you learn how to insert functions into the toolbar and customize the shortcuts, customize utilities, etc., everything seems easier.

I also really like Cakewalk, but I've always had technical problems, sometimes strange sounds appeared, some days they appeared, other days not, plus other problems, time passed and I was more pending of the problems than of making music, until sadly I had to abandon it.

Yeah -Cakewalk seems like a goldmine at first and then you discover just how buggy it is or whatever -Not worth it. I found an absolute GEM of a DAW this afternoon called "Podium" -It's just perfect. Hasn't been updated since 2013, but the only catch is that the undo functions don't work for plugins. Such a drag. With how much I experiment with plugins "undo" has become an integral part of my workflow. *Sigh... Looks like it's reaper for the long haul (at least for mixing, anyway) until the devs do something about about these deficiencies in Waveform... At least for me...

[Barth1]

Yeah -Cakewalk seems like a goldmine at first and then you discover just how buggy it is or whatever -Not worth it. I found an absolute GEM of a DAW this afternoon called "Podium" -It's just perfect. Hasn't been updated since 2013, but the only catch is that the undo functions don't work for plugins. Such a drag. With how much I experiment with plugins "undo" has become and integral part of my workflow. *Sigh... Looks like it's reaper for the long haul (at least for mixing, anyway) until the devs do something about about these deficiencies in Waveform... At least for me...

I downloaded a Podium demo version and I remember that I loved its piano roll and other features. Pity that undo doesn't work for plugins as you said. I think Podium it's programmed by only one person, but a DAW is a lot of work for only one person.

With how much I experiment with plugins "undo" has become and integral part of my workflow.

I understand it, for me undo utility is also important, I need to be able to undo what I do. My left hand has the automatism to pressing CTRL-Z

[Peter Widdicombe]

Yeah, and along with the "undo" function, it's nice to have a "redo" function !

[tmaworks]

Yeah, and along with the "undo" function, it's nice to have a "redo" function !

Wait -Waveform has the redo, right??

But yeah -If undo doesn't apply, then I guess REDO wouldn't as well...

Lol!!!

[Peter Widdicombe]

What's interesting is that, if you adjust volume, pan, mute, etc. and THEN hit undo, the REDO button indicates there is something to undo; and if you undo (which effectively doesn't), the UNDO button again indicates nothing to undo. It's like it THINKS it was successful and "popped the action" off the stack.

Is there any way to actually SEE the list of changes in the undo list?