nvm

[chk071]

The transition from 32- to 64-bit was absolutely essential, like the transition from VST2 to VST3, when DAW's stop to support VST2, as it is foreseeable. Unlike the transition to CLAP.

But, hey. Let's see who will adopt CLAP in the future. So far it's Bitwig only, and Reaper supports it in a developer version.

Absolutely. Steinberg kind of forced VST3 onto the Developers and 64 Bit was more tied to the Hardware naturally evolving in those Days.

If you look at it, all the standards are somewhat "forced" onto the developers. I highly doubt that any of them would want to support more than one. It's a necessity.

It's like when early in the morning the alarm clock rings, and you have to go to work, and do your job.

[El°HYM]

nvm

[chk071]

CLAP will be forced onto developers when mainstream DAW's adopt it, and developers have to support it, regardless of whether they like it or not.

It's simply their job.

[chk071]

When Steinberg suddenly changes its Framework and Licensing, thats a total different kind of Story.

And when the CLAP developers do so?

[El°HYM]

nvm

[El°HYM]

nvm

[mabian]

It seems very few people here are interested in the only serious plugin format which is not owned by any company? Uh...

[chk071]

CLAP is so far only interesting for people who own Bitwig.

Why would I care for it when my DAW doesn't even support it?

Apart from not being a religious/political guy, of course. I have no problem with formats being "owned by companies", as long as they work. In the end, the plugins made in such formats are owned by companies anyway. The only benefit by such formats might be that developers can work more easily with them, as they might or might be not better tailored to their uses. As an end user, it doesn't make the slightest difference to me.

[Held]

Urs once posted something about how new standards just lead to yet another standard to support. Did you know that? Obviously he forgot about it, or changed his mind in the meantime.

Urs uses clap to make his transition to VST3 easier. So it's actually less work for him than supporting VST3 directly. Of course, if Steinberg hadn't forced VST3 and kept maintaining VST2...

Melda already did the work to support VST3, so they won't benefit from CLAP with regards to that.

The only benefit by such formats might be that developers can work more easily with them, as they might or might be not better tailored to their uses. As an end user, it doesn't make the slightest difference to me.

Easier work for developers means more development and innovation for end users.

[mabian]

CLAP is so far only interesting for people who own Bitwig.

So far, almost.

Why would I care for it when my DAW doesn't even support it?

Don't. I do.

Apart from not being a religious/political guy, of course. I have no problem with formats being "owned by companies", as long as they work. In the end, the plugins made in such formats are owned by companies anyway. The only benefit by such formats might be that developers can work more easily with them, as they might or might be not better tailored to their uses. As an end user, it doesn't make the slightest difference to me.

If Steiny didn't launch VST3, totally incompatible with VST2, and didn't ditch VST2 completely maybe devs shouldn't have bothered to support THEIR new VST standard (which has many dev complaining and is not so much better than VST2, for some things it's even inferior).
Today if a new plugin developer wants to make VST2 plugins he can't because Steiny no longer supports it and no longer releases dev licenses (yes you have to register to get the SDKs and be able to release plugins with THEIR patented technology).
I don't find it fair nor necessary and I hope CLAP one day will mean the end of all of this.
No religion, no politics at all here.

- Mario

[chk071]

Urs once posted something about how new standards just lead to yet another standard to support. Did you know that? Obviously he forgot about it, or changed his mind in the meantime.

Urs uses clap to make his transition to VST3 easier. So it's actually less work for him than supporting VST3 directly. Of course, if Steinberg hadn't forced VST3 and kept maintaining VST2...

Melda already did the work to support VST3, so they won't benefit from CLAP with regards to that.

u-he already had VST3 versions of their plugins way before CLAP came up, IIRC.

Anyway, maybe it helps them with development indeed. As I wrote though, VST3 isn't going anywhere, with Cubase, Nuendo and Wavelab having a signinficant market share, especially Cubase and Wavelab. So, in the future, it'll be VST2, VST3, AU, AAX etc. PLUS CLAP for developers, if they want to go that way.

And, you know what no one seems to have talked about yet? The possibility of Steinberg releasing VST4.

Jeez, am I glad that I'm not an audio software developer.

[Blaster]

The idea is to develop the plugin in CLAP format and then you get all the other formats for free without any development time needed (CLAP will handle the conversion of all those other formats). In the long run it will save developers time (and money) if they use CLAP as the base format.

Of course, existing stuff would need to be converted to CLAP first and that might need some time and effort.

[MeldaProduction]

The idea is to develop the plugin in CLAP format and then you get all the other formats for free without any development time needed (CLAP will handle the conversion of all those other formats). In the long run it will save developers time (and money) if they use CLAP as the base format.

Of course, existing stuff would need to be converted to CLAP first and that might need some time and effort.

That's the marketing part .

[mabian]

Marketing on a free and open source format?

[Hexspa]

Reaper now supports clap
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=273164