Vojtech. It's time for MDaw.

[sirmonkey]

I can think of legit pros and cons (with my admittedly limited knowledge).
CON: Melda would then be expected to support all other VST's from a bazillion different manufacturers, some of which may do stupid things that break systems. For that reason alone, it might not be worth it.
But...The Melda universe already does so many complex and sophisticated tasks. Vojtech & team have skills that exceed what's needed for a simple DAW.
So maybe they could make a simple DAW. A straightforward, easy to understand DAW. With unlockable features for more experienced users, but easy and intuitive for beginners. Melda plugins only.
Perfect gateway into the Meldaverse!

[sirmonkey]

* SuperLooper + MXXX. Seems like all the ingredients are already there.

[Tyrs]

* SuperLooper + MXXX. Seems like all the ingredients are already there.

Don't forget about MDrummer with the mixer, song structure and rhythm editor.

[mevla]

And then there's the concept of a plugin being a composer with its own tracks. Someone told me about Mulab recently and I just downloaded it now. I was asking to see if it was possible to use a Launchpad as a real 8x8 grid triggering clips, free of any tracks and it seems Mulab can do it. Sure enough, the app part of it (there's an app plugin and a synth plugin) loads as a plugin and it's a multitrack composing tool. I do not know how it works at this point, though.

All this to say that conceptually, a DAW plugin can also be some kind of a DAW by itself.

https://www.mutools.com/mulab-product.html

[smadger]

I'd like three components of a DAW to be created first - you'd kind of need them to be included in any theoretical DAW anywya for for it to be worth using, but I'd be very happy if there was a chance of them just happening on their own.

A standalone MSF
An offline audio file editor with Melda goodness and batching
MTurboMIDI or some sort of MIDI manipulation/scripting plug

A DAW can't really work without some form of these features (in my opinion), but just having them on their own would make my decade. (I absolutely understand that these "simple" requests are not so simple to implement and takes time and hard work, so if they don't happen I am abolsutely fine with that, I'm just giving opinions )

A Melda DAW would no doubt be interesting, but I don't think it would replace anything I already have, and ideally we'd need the componenets above to implemented in some way first for it to be useful.

[rtoip]

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MTurboMIDI or some sort of MIDI manipulation/scripting plug
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Nice idea.

[mevla]

As en example to give some ideas, Bitwig has an array of MIDI note manipulation tools, one of them being Ricochet in which incoming MIDI notes are bouncing off the walls of a modulated modifiable geometric shape before going to the synth plugin or any other MIDI note effect.

bwricochet.jpg

[Underoath77]

You know what? I like this better

I'd like three components of a DAW to be created first - you'd kind of need them to be included in any theoretical DAW anywya for for it to be worth using, but I'd be very happy if there was a chance of them just happening on their own.

A standalone MSF
An offline audio file editor with Melda goodness and batching
MTurboMIDI or some sort of MIDI manipulation/scripting plug

A DAW can't really work without some form of these features (in my opinion), but just having them on their own would make my decade. (I absolutely understand that these "simple" requests are not so simple to implement and takes time and hard work, so if they don't happen I am abolsutely fine with that, I'm just giving opinions )

A Melda DAW would no doubt be interesting, but I don't think it would replace anything I already have, and ideally we'd need the componenets above to implemented in some way first for it to be useful.

[Audiospaceman]

Would be a terrible business decision. The market is already oversaturated with highly matured and established options and it would require an intense amount of investment and resources to make something that could compare. People are also very attached to their daws, unlike plugins where people collect them like Pokémon.

So, please no.

+1
Imho i believe it's better to spend time improving the already existent plugins!
For example, adding the so much awaited timestrecht capabilities to the sampler module (MSF)...
And yes, it is better to concentrate the resources in the development of some innovative tools to adress basic problems and improve our workflow in real-life production.

[cousin_itt]

+1 for MTurboMIDI

[Hexspa]

But as long as Vojtech stays the only Dev, I agree.... better to invest the time in the developement of MSF, MD and new tools.

Working at Melda seems pretty intense, though.

Oh, I'm sure it's a breeze.

[Jacew]

mdrummer has a pretty decent sequencer already and it has midi out.

Hah! It's unusable.

Once you try to incorporate more than one time signature in your arrangement, whole thing breaks down.

Since different time signatures have to go in different channels, they have to always line up (to be divisible with each other). And even then the navigation through arrangement falls apart.

Add single 2/4 bar in 4/4 arrangement, and MDrummers sequencer is incapable of playing that.

If there's a workaround I would love to hear that.

[Michael L]

Of course, with the purchase of Melda by ImageLine, MDaw has finally happened!

[Hexspa]

mdrummer has a pretty decent sequencer already and it has midi out.

Hah! It's unusable.

Once you try to incorporate more than one time signature in your arrangement, whole thing breaks down.

Since different time signatures have to go in different channels, they have to always line up (to be divisible with each other). And even then the navigation through arrangement falls apart.

Add single 2/4 bar in 4/4 arrangement, and MDrummers sequencer is incapable of playing that.

If there's a workaround I would love to hear that.

Really, I think for changing time signatures, I'd use the rhythm editor and trigger those with midi. If you're saying you can't do that on a single channel and this creates likely misalignments then you can try separate tracks. That would be annoying if you had to constantly copy and paste changes to the kit, etc. but could functionally work. I don't know because I haven't encountered this.

[Jacew]

mdrummer has a pretty decent sequencer already and it has midi out.

Hah! It's unusable.

Once you try to incorporate more than one time signature in your arrangement, whole thing breaks down.

Since different time signatures have to go in different channels, they have to always line up (to be divisible with each other). And even then the navigation through arrangement falls apart.

Add single 2/4 bar in 4/4 arrangement, and MDrummers sequencer is incapable of playing that.

If there's a workaround I would love to hear that.

Really, I think for changing time signatures, I'd use the rhythm editor and trigger those with midi. If you're saying you can't do that on a single channel and this creates likely misalignments then you can try separate tracks. That would be annoying if you had to constantly copy and paste changes to the kit, etc. but could functionally work. I don't know because I haven't encountered this.

I think I've never made an arrangement that doesn't have at least two different time signatures. Basic rock/metal mostly, nothing fancy. If you listen any that type of music from the past, it's pretty standard stuff.

That's why it seems so big oversight to me. I registered to the forum 2021 to ask this, but never got an answer.

I've worked out a workflow, where I create the arrangement in Mdrummer sequencer, with empty spaces (a drum loop with single hihat at 0 velocity) separating each section with different time sig, then dump the whole MIDI track into Reaper, where I splice and align all the parts ("items" in Reaper terminology) where they belong.

Using triggers to change time signatures is a pain to align and keep track of in Reaper.