Saturator Request

[Frankie.T]

To close out the side discussion for future reference, it looks like the MXXX Multi Widener will do the job.

It does about the stereo imager (since it was OOT i edited my post) and it work very well
Thanks sparella for the help

About saturation it seems a new plugin from Melda is required :p

[sparella]

To close out the side discussion for future reference, it looks like the MXXX Multi Widener will do the job.

It does about the stereo imager (since it was OOT i edited my post) and it work very well
Thanks sparella for the help

About saturation it seems a new plugin from Melda is required :p

Take a look at the MSaturatorMB preset called "Brighter Mix". That will put you in the 3 band interface with control of each band. If you want mid/side, open a second instance with the same preset, but set one instance to Mid and one to Side.

[Frankie.T]

I thought about it, and if may work the workflow will be poor, and i still miss the tape saturation i really like on Izotope Exciter

[sparella]

I thought about it, and if may work the workflow will be poor, and i still miss the tape saturation i really like on Izotope Exciter

I once saw a video where someone was able to match Oxford Inflator using MSaturator or MWaveShaper. After seeing the curves that were required, I knew it had not been an easy task. If you are determined, you can get very close to what you want.
It helps that the algo you like is called "tape" but it doesn't include the multitude of variables that a fully featured tape sim would. Even the developer makes a clear distinction between their triode and dual triode modes which are "circuit modeled" and the other four types, including "tape", that are not.
As another example, I used MTurboAmp to make the Hard Key amp, which captures the tone and saturation characteristics of my go-to bass amp. No, its not 100% identical, but it is really close, to the extent that I am satisfied with tracking direct into my interface without pulling out the hardware amp and using its DI output.

[Frankie.T]

I recreated Inflator with MWaveShaper too

The issue to replicate something with other tools is not just about find the way to do it, cause this is just matter of time and works, and this is not a problem, i mean i can even enjoy it till doesn't get frustrating.
The issue is the final workflow. A good plugin is not just about the sound, but the workflow too, and since it require very little time with Exciter to get the sounds i want i also need for the other tool, to be as fast as the "original".

It's not just because of more time, but mainly because if you can translate what you have in mind to the audio fast, you can do that, otherwise you start to lose the idea and your ears get used to what you are listening, that's why a plugin workflow it's very important to me.

[sirmonkey]

Which DAW do you use? I use Studio One, which has a splitter. I would say that the functionality of Stidio One's Splitter partly overlap...
But anyway, does your DAW have a splitter of some sort built-in?

[Frankie.T]

I can build a splitter in my daw or with mxxx, but the final workflow would be very far from decent, and btw i still miss a tape saturation

[sparella]

I recreated Inflator with MWaveShaper too

The issue to replicate something with other tools is not just about find the way to do it, cause this is just matter of time and works, and this is not a problem, i mean i can even enjoy it till doesn't get frustrating.
The issue is the final workflow. A good plugin is not just about the sound, but the workflow too, and since it require very little time with Exciter to get the sounds i want i also need for the other tool, to be as fast as the "original".

It's not just because of more time, but mainly because if you can translate what you have in mind to the audio fast, you can do that, otherwise you start to lose the idea and your ears get used to what you are listening, that's why a plugin workflow it's very important to me.

"Good workflow" means different things to different people. I have Ozone Elements 9 and its a fine GUI, but there isn't anything there I'd consider especially significant. (What is significant is that there is not an upgrade path from version 9 to 10.)

[vectorwarrior]

It's a long shot, but I'd love to see some sort of sound matching tool, a bit like plugin doctor, where it could look at the phase, frequency, overtones changes over amplitude of some input effect and then try to replicate that with Melda tools automatically. Like a machine learning replication tool.

That way you could replicate software or hardware effects in melda tools.

[Frankie.T]

@sparella
Yes i know it's kinda subjective. Anyway talking about multiband m/s saturator, with Ozone i can split the bands in a second, switch between m/s or stereo with a clip leaving untouched the bands, and apply different saturation between bands and also modes, this mean from 0hz to 100hz i can apply tape saturation on mid, and diode saturation on the side in the same band, same for other bands, and i can do everything in 30 seconds, without switching panels, plugins or whatever.
To do something like that with mxxx or some trickery through the daw i would need to use 2 saturation with a routing where one is mid and the other side, then i have to replicate it for stereo just in case i want to do the same but using stereo. I have to link somehow the bands of the 4 saturation... i mean it sounds terrible, definetly not something you wanna do.

Working for the music, without being able to notice plugin it's what i call a good workflow. If you have to work for the plugin there is something wrong, in this case it's just a wrong tool to use for what i'm trying to achieve, that's why i think a different tool is needed (with more saturation algos too).

I made some research, and i find no other tool that do something like that, so if you wanna achieve it, you must use Ozone, this should mean there is a gap in the market for a more tweakable tool to achieve this result.

@vectorwarrior
Something like this would be a dream.

[Svama]

+1 it's much about the workflow, fast decisions and results without losing the goal.

[Frankie.T]

I spent some time trying/testing MSaturatorMB, while about the workflow the difference was pretty obvious, now i can say something more about the sound too.
The saturation models in Izotope Exciter are different, and in my opinion are very good and better on what i find on MSaturatorMB, at least that's my opinion for mastering.

So having an evolution or if it's easier to make MExciterMB to gain the same workflow and saturation sounds i have on Izotope Ozone Exciter, would be certainly one of my favorite Melda plugin.

I hope someone of Melda is reading this and want to share some thoughts

[Svama]

But what did you find and how do you get the better sound out of msaturatormb.

[Frankie.T]

I think the saturation models on Izotope Ozone Exciter sounds better or are just more useful for mastering.
I spent some time for testing, along few real projects i'm working on, Exciter won the sound "competition" too.

ps: i'm not saying MSaturatorMB is a bad plugin, don't get me wrong, it's just not a great choice for mastering

[Hexspa]

Those are some good reasons for choosing Melda over other developers, and I agree with most of them.

Seems like your request would fit in with the fabled MixingRevolution that might see the light of day eventually.

Vojtech just made a mention of this yesterday. viewtopic.php?t=595769