The typical housestab!

[CypherOne]

deps, I think you've misunderstood me. In relation to chord based stabs as mentioned by Marco, I don't understand what difference it would make to sample it to play across the keyboard rather than simply playing chords as normal?

I took Marco's original post to mean what I explained as he mentioned sampling, resampling, playing chords on a synth (which would give you an initial sweeping sound for instance), and then loading them in a sample player.

But I could have completely misunderstod everyone

deps

oh okay. I think I'll stick to me 303

[nuffink]

Hi Amblin!
A sound example would have been nice, as you're obviously after one particular sound (?)
Here's my school of do. Almost anything can be a house stab provided it has a chordlike feeling to it, that's why i go for sampling and resampling. Try playing a minor chord on a synth,, sample it and load it as a sampler instrument – say you used a piano chord, there's instant acieed for you! etc etc etc. Some of my favourite housey stabs are off other songs I did (or never completed ), those little magic moments in a track, being played back on a keyboard will work wonders (sometimes)...
So, go forth and experiment , I say!

Marco

Marco, silly question maybe, but why would you choose to sample it instead of just playing it across the keyboard?

Parallel chords.

okay, now explain that for an extra thick person like me, please?

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary ... hords.html

It's what happens naturally when you play a sampled chord. It's one of the most characteristic sounds of house. Gives a jaaaaaathy feel to it.

[CypherOne]

nope I'm still a bit confused (damn those pesky chords!) - if you played minors all the time that would be parallel chords, no? shall I get me coat?

[nuffink]

I think cypher means.. why play the samples if you can just fire up a synth and play them yourself

I know. The point is that the synth will give you a nice, even, and clean set of chords with perfect tuning, and natural envelopes throughout the useful range. A single sampled chord played at varying pitches will alias, detune, and chipmunk to varying levels. These side effects are not always detrimental.

Not quite. You just wouldn't normally play a Gmin Fmin Cmin chord progression. With a sampled Cmin chord mapped across the keyboard, you have no choice; and it sounds good.

[nuffink]

nope I'm still a bit confused (damn those pesky chords!) - if you played minors all the time that would be parallel chords, no? shall I get me coat?

Spot on. You and your coat can stay.

[spaceman]

Marco, silly question maybe, but why would you choose to sample it instead of just playing it across the keyboard?

Playing a sampled chord out of its' root (in terms of sample freq) key does not produce quite the same chord as would be gained by playing the notes normally. Although very minor there is a slight detuning effect.

Some people argue that this gives those old sampled chords some of their character.

I think cypher means.. why play the samples if you can just fire up a synth and play them yourself

BINGO! give that man a kebab...

so is there any difference in your opinion spaceman?

not that much no but I see what valley means..
I just think that the 'quirkiness' of the sound caused by the sampling procedure is not worth the trouble.. you can make it sound original in a multitude of ways, most of them involve a simple tweak of a synth parameter

[edit] although, listening to the sound example.. I might change my mind about that

[CypherOne]

nope I'm still a bit confused (damn those pesky chords!) - if you played minors all the time that would be parallel chords, no? shall I get me coat?

Spot on. You and your coat can stay.

bugger.

I'm really curious about the sampling bit now, I shall give that a go over the weekend to see how it sounds. House stabs have been confusing me for ages. A while back someone advised me that you get a good result if you use only two note of the chords (forgive my terminology) - using the root and the next one but not the top note in the triad, any thoughts?

[valley]

Not quite. You just wouldn't normally play a Gmin Fmin Cmin chord progression. With a sampled Cmin chord mapped across the keyboard, you have no choice; and it sounds good.

Ohh, I would.

I know little enough about music theory that I always get by simply by playing what I like. It was a few years before I realised that from a theory point of view I was doing it all wrong.

If I were a great musician you could probably take something useful from that, but I'm not so make of it what you will.

[Beardedone]

House stab? Whose house? I picture a house shaped knife.

I get lost with all of these new genres. I stopped listening to music on radio almost a generation ago so bear with me. Is "House" that kind of music that uses a lot of vinyl samples?

Cheers,
Gordon

[nuffink]

nope I'm still a bit confused (damn those pesky chords!) - if you played minors all the time that would be parallel chords, no? shall I get me coat?

Spot on. You and your coat can stay.

bugger.

I'm really curious about the sampling bit now, I shall give that a go over the weekend to see how it sounds. House stabs have been confusing me for ages. A while back someone advised me that you get a good result if you use only two note of the chords (forgive my terminology) - using the root and the next one but not the top note in the triad, any thoughts?

House is the music that Akai built. Much of the sound comes from dealing with the limitations of samplers.
E.g. Mapping a sound leads to more than just repitching. The sample gets longer and shorter. One way to deal with this is to chop it short with an envelope. But sometimes you want that sound to be long so you stretch it out with a delay and get another signature house sound.

[vurt]

piffle

[valley]

House stab? Whose house? I picture a house shaped knife.

I get lost with all of these new genres.

I dunno that I'd call house a new genre. It's been around in some form since the mid to late eighties (depending who you ask). Obviously what we call hosue today is quite different from the early Chicago house sound.

Think of it as a kind of crossover between disco, and soul, with a more percussion lead style.

[vurt]

House stab? Whose house? I picture a house shaped knife.

I get lost with all of these new genres.

I dunno that I'd call house a new genre. It's been around in some form since the mid to late eighties (depending who you ask). Obviously what we call hosue today is quite different from the early Chicago house sound.

Think of it as a kind of crossover between disco, and soul, with a more percussion lead style.

when you is as old as gordon,then thats new

[Jazz Franco]

Shop around for Arturia Storm 2.0--it must be pretty cheap by now as it's the old version and it's perfectly suited for producing bland commercial house (got decent chord presets, samples, etc). Sound engine is extremely good in this software studio BTW, so worth checking out, also works as a VSTi (not in all hosts). There's v 3.0 out now, but I can't say anything about this one.

[Beardedone]

valley wrote:
Beardedone wrote:
House stab? Whose house? I picture a house shaped knife.

I get lost with all of these new genres.


I dunno that I'd call house a new genre. It's been around in some form since the mid to late eighties (depending who you ask). Obviously what we call hosue today is quite different from the early Chicago house sound.

Think of it as a kind of crossover between disco, and soul, with a more percussion lead style.



when you is as old as gordon,then thats new

Hey that's right. I remember getting depressed when Jimi died for kriky's sakes!