Discovery Pro synthesizer 6.4 to 8.0 REBOOT

[chk071]

in your head maybe. in the real world, not so much.

That's exactly what it is for some people. Otherwise they wouldn't be so keen on using their "power" here.

[chk071]

You guys only see your side.

Also a very common problem on this site.

So slapping a new version number on the same code and charging a "royalty" update price that is half of the price of new license is ok? How can one NOT complain about that? It's insane.

You know where to put your money. Why do you need to complain about it all day long? Is that how you solve your problems in the real world? By complaining all day long? That never solved any problem. It creates problems.

Actually, keeping your wallet in your pocket is a MUCH better point to make than to complain on an internet forum. Actually, it's the ONLY point to make. Some people here just don't understand that, and never will. And, mostly, it isn't about that anyway. It's to agitate, and pull others in the negative vortex. That's fun, and you feel like you have power.

"Come on guys. Let's destroy this evil guy and his greedy company!". That's what most of this actually translates to.

And why do YOU care at all?

Because, I like this site. And, I like people to be friendly with each other, and treat each other with respect. Sorry about that. I know you always get triggered when stuff like that comes up, simply because you're the intended receiver for my criticism. I know that, my German buddy.

[SLiC]

A lot of people criticised the cost of the Avenger 2 upgrade, the developer was like 'take it or leave it, I don't care!'. I like it when an update comes out that I don't need- saves me money (and more and more updates are like that now as everything is so good already!)

Ultimately people will vote with their wallets but I think it is perfectly legitimate to discuss if anyone can hear the difference when that is what the update is largely based on (and the developer claims it sounds better)

Is anyone at all saying they can hear a difference at all?

[chk071]

A lot of people criticised the cost of the Avenger 2 upgrade, the developer was like 'take it or leave it, I don't care!'.

I don't know if he said that literally (I doubt it. It's Manuel anyway who posts on these forums, right? Not the actual dev.), but, what else would you do in his case? You gotta make sure to survive if you're running a business, which is hard, hard work. Even without owning one myself, I saw that with the employers I worked for.

You don't have to be a genius to see that discoDSP is more or less a one man business, and is struggling for many years now. I don't own or want to buy any of their products, simply because they don't convince me, but, man, I really have better things to do than ruin him. What the f is wrong with these people?

[ramseysounds]

I actually don’t blame the dev for making that statement then locking the thread. Ive been saying for ages about the amount of self entitled people who infest threads on here. If you don’t like something, don’t buy it. Why spend your life belly aching about something. The amount of topics that start off with good intentions and turn into dire moronic discussions is probably most of them.
Keyboard warriors

[Doggo]

You don't have to be a genius to see that discoDSP is more or less a one man business, and is struggling for many years now. I don't own or want to buy any of their products, simply because they don't convince me, but, man, I really have better things to do than ruin him. What the f is wrong with these people?

The size of the company and employee headcount surely isn't relevant IF the developer has pushed out a paid update claiming the oscillators have twice the detail especially if someone can prove the detail or code controlling the oscillators hasn't changed?

That would surely ruin him and so it should or do you believe a developer should be cut some slack in that situation?
Just to be clear I have no idea if the claim is true or false but it does seem strange the thread was closed shortly after the test was conducted and of course before the real experts arrived to examine things a little further.

[Choikdoi]

I don't own Avenger, but even if I did, I wouldn't have commented on that thread, because the features and improvements included in that update were unquestionable.

I did comment on this one, because what we're being told the update cost equates to, simply isn't perceptible and therefore can't be justified.

If an update is measurable in some way, then yes, just vote with your wallet. But I don't think just calling it 'futile' means that we shouln't question claims, especially when they can be so easily disproved. Or, should I say, disprove the effectiveness of the improvements being claimed. They may not be untrue by definition, but when it rests almost entirely on audio improvements for such a price and we can't hear any improvement, then it's pretty understandable for people to be triggered that they want to ask us for a price like that, let alone any price at all. And justified to question them on their claims.

Sometimes it is futile, sometimes too much / too far, but also sometimes necessary. The subscription fiascos proved that.

[SLiC]

To be fair on the original thread most people seemed supportive and said if they lowered the cost of the update to about $30 they would buy it despite not really haring any difference that seem pretty supportive to me, if the company/dev listened they may make more (some!) money but of course you are right, that's up to them/him as it may be. TBH I am not sure what this synths actually needs (as a Nord) it seems pretty finished to me!

Also, I suspect a lot of people bought the synth cheap on sales (as its on sale a lot), I paid 49E for the full Pro 7 from VSTBuzz not that long ago and was happy with it for that price, but selling that low does then affect what you should charge for a small update IMO.

[Robmobius]

It's a ridiculous system, sadly.
Not having a personal user area is a tad archaic and somewhat bewildering. What if someone's email is updated or some such?
I wonder if they even check their customer service inbox at all? I mean, I'm still waiting for a reply. LOL

it's possible they've replied but the emails are getting bounced the same way. I can't say I've emailed disco a lot but I think they've always replied.

the trouble is there's no backup system to deal with situations where email isn't working. a simple chat system on the site would do the job.

Cheers for the heads up. I'll wait another day or two before trying again. Ta'.

[SLiC]

Bigger picture, but I think one of the problems for smaller developers) is that everything is just so cheap ta the moment as 85% off becomes the normal...I just got an email from DontCrack selling most of the XILS synths for $49, they had always held their price in the past...pretty much everything has been slashed in todays market...if I am paying $80 I am probably buying a complete new synth!

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Trying top charge a lot of money for it doesn't make DSP look great, but look at it this way- 7.9 is just as good, you are missing nothing so saving money!

I mean, you really ARE missing NOTHING. You want to pay $75 for nothing, then I also have some magic beans you might be interested in.

I figured out why discoDSP continually dodge the new preset question - it's because there are no new presets.

This is what they stated:

"Expanded Preset Library: Expanded FXP preset library, filled with fresh and inspiring sounds."

What I am pretty sure this means is that in addition to the original full bank FXBs, they've now individually broken out individual sounds as FXPs and categorized them by type. So, same presets, different organization. And that's also what they call "disk mode".

There literally is nothing new in this $75 update.

[gaggle of hermits]

Cheers for the heads up. I'll wait another day or two before trying again. Ta'.

the only issue there is if the mail servers don't play nice with each other.

I had a quick look at the headers for the last couple of mailings from discodsp that I got, and one of them was an account verification and the other was a promo mailing. both came up with DKIM invalid and they were send out using sendgrid.

sendgrid IPs are often blacklisted because they've been too lax on spam recently. and if you're using Gmail, only emails with a valid DKIM check will get through now. they won't make it to the spam folder, google just bounces them. so I can see why several people have reported not getting any emails from discodsp.

it's actually a bit pointless using DKIM as a spam check these days because tons of spammers do pass it. and it's somewhat ironic google waving the big stick over DKIM given how big a source of spam and phishing Gmail is. but google's gonna google.

but the upshot is, without a fix at discodsp's end, those emails may never get through.

[SLiC]

Trying to charge a lot of money for it doesn't make DSP look great, but look at it this way- 7.9 is just as good, you are missing nothing so saving money!

I mean, you really ARE missing NOTHING. You want to pay $75 for nothing, then I also have some magic beans you might be interested in.

I think you missed my point, I was saying if you have 7.9 there is no need at all to update so you save money... If you have V6 (same update cost to V8) there may be some value, I don't know what was added since 6!

This isn't new, NI and many others have been charging big bucks for small updates/facelifts for some time, but no one has to buy them, people who stay current/update often pay more, that just the way it is...wait a few years and then upgrade and you get a ton of stuff!

[chk071]

The situation is : a lot of potential customers are trying to make the developer realize that he’s out of today’s market reality.

Well, considering that the least of us run an audio plugin business, I'm not sure why people here think they're more qualified than he is, especially when it comes to the interests of his company.

It's more a case of "Uh well, that's too expensive for me, moving on.". But, no, that's not how KVR rolls, unfortunately. Nothing better than a moral superiority contest, spiced up with some political agenda.

[audiojunkie]

Ouch! Luckily, I had a feeling that discoDSP is kind of iffy and never bit the bullet. Probably a good idea to spend money on devs that have a better track record.

Maybe one day the DSP56300 Nord Lead will see the light of day.

I still like Bliss Sampler (the only product that I have from DiscoDSP). I never was a fan of the Discovery Pro, and never bought it. There aren't enough good samplers out there, so it is quite unique, and in my opinion, the most important product George sells. However, "iffy" is probably the perfect word to describe the way I feel about the company. It is a balancing act that I walk every time I think about DiscoDSP. I look forward to the day that ShortCircuit-XT is complete, because lack of samplers on Linux become less of a problem for me.