Why is modern music so awful
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- KVRAF
- 7098 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city
The Changeling by Middleton and Rowley is good for double entendres. Gloves, for example.
(Note the use of pumps for shoes; the word puke is used in the Duchess of Malfi)
Act 1, Scene 1
DEFLORES
Here, lady.
[He hands Beatrice her glove.]
BEATRICE
Mischief on your officious forwardness;
Who bade you stoop? They touch my hand no more:
There, for t'other's sake I part with this;
Take 'em and draw thine own skin off with 'em.
Exeunt. [Manet Deflores.]
DEFLORES
Here's a favour come with a mischief: now
I know she had rather wear my pelt tann'd
In a pair of dancing pumps than I should
Thrust my fingers into her sockets here.
I know she hates me, yet cannot choose but love her:
No matter, if but to vex her, I'll haunt her still;
Though I get nothing else, I'll have my will.
Exit.
(Note the use of pumps for shoes; the word puke is used in the Duchess of Malfi)
Act 1, Scene 1
DEFLORES
Here, lady.
[He hands Beatrice her glove.]
BEATRICE
Mischief on your officious forwardness;
Who bade you stoop? They touch my hand no more:
There, for t'other's sake I part with this;
Take 'em and draw thine own skin off with 'em.
Exeunt. [Manet Deflores.]
DEFLORES
Here's a favour come with a mischief: now
I know she had rather wear my pelt tann'd
In a pair of dancing pumps than I should
Thrust my fingers into her sockets here.
I know she hates me, yet cannot choose but love her:
No matter, if but to vex her, I'll haunt her still;
Though I get nothing else, I'll have my will.
Exit.
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- KVRist
- 242 posts since 5 Apr, 2024
One reason might be the missing filters of making a name for yourself with touring for years, then getting signed, wheat from the chaff, you know.
Now you fumble it together at home and put it on the web.
Right then there should be the filter of audience taste of course..

Now you fumble it together at home and put it on the web.
Right then there should be the filter of audience taste of course..
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- KVRist
- 438 posts since 8 Mar, 2008 from Berlin
I found it interesting. Especially the scientific analysis of succesful Pop songs he mentions:
- decline of variety in timbre
- decline of complexity in lyrics and harmonic structure
- less dynamic range
Not sure how many of the people here watched it or only read the title.
- decline of variety in timbre
- decline of complexity in lyrics and harmonic structure
- less dynamic range
Not sure how many of the people here watched it or only read the title.
my music:
soundcloud.com/septimon-band
blend.io/septimon
soundcloud.com/septimon-band
blend.io/septimon
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- KVRAF
- 7098 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city
Septimon wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:25 pm I found it interesting. Especially the scientific analysis of succesful Pop songs he mentions:
- decline of variety in timbre
- decline of complexity in lyrics and harmonic structure
- less dynamic range
Not sure how many of the people here watched it or only read the title.
- addled muppet weed
- 111242 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
id rather attend a taylor swift concert than another bloody amateur dramatic shakespeare playaMUSEd wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:51 pm I think it is partly the fault of the media who lavish the most ridiculous and absurd praise on modern pop musicians, I even read one Guardian reviewer seriously trying to compare Taylor Swift lyrics to Shakespeare!
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- KVRist
- 375 posts since 17 Nov, 2022
Economically optimized, just like blockbuster movies. Things will get even more interesting with AI taking over the whole process.Septimon wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:25 pm - decline of variety in timbre
- decline of complexity in lyrics and harmonic structure
- less dynamic range
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- KVRist
- 438 posts since 8 Mar, 2008 from Berlin
Thanks for sharing this marvelous Collection of shitty songs. (Seriously, not ironic, they are really funny)!Bunny_boy wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:49 pmSeptimon wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 5:25 pm I found it interesting. Especially the scientific analysis of succesful Pop songs he mentions:
- decline of variety in timbre
- decline of complexity in lyrics and harmonic structure
- less dynamic range
Not sure how many of the people here watched it or only read the title.
But I didn‘t say, every song from back in the days was awesome while every modern song was bad. The video was talking about a tendency, not every Single song but a development visible when analysing a lot of songs.
my music:
soundcloud.com/septimon-band
blend.io/septimon
soundcloud.com/septimon-band
blend.io/septimon
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- KVRist
- 438 posts since 8 Mar, 2008 from Berlin
I really like sons of kemet, the guy in the Video was talking about charts and mainstream music.
What he said in the end of the video was, that a lot of good bands do exist (but only very few are succesful in the Mainstream). posting these videos doesn‘t contradict to what he said.
my music:
soundcloud.com/septimon-band
blend.io/septimon
soundcloud.com/septimon-band
blend.io/septimon
- KVRAF
- 37379 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Think so, I guess she was just trying to encourage younger readers to read the classics by making them relatable to someone they like. Although I can think of many singers and songwriters who are much better examples most of those (eg Joni Mitchell) are not so current, maybe she just picked what she saw as the best of a bad bunch? Does anyone even reasonably popular write decent lyrics these days (I can think of some rap artists like Lupe Fiasco but they are not 'pop')Bunny_boy wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:58 pm This article? It's a Shakespeare professor that is quoted
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ulum-books
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- KVRian
- 1281 posts since 9 Mar, 2008 from netherlands
There’s always been a generic approach to pop music that appeals to the lowest common denominator - hence the ‘Pop’ - but in the past the popular music charts were a lot more eclectic and pop covered a wider spectrum of musical styles.
Nowadays the popular music charts - Spotify etc - have reduced that spectrum to a few genres that seem to copy whatever style is en Vogue. One has to dig deeper to find the broader spectrum of music outside of these algorithms.
There are some outrageously talented musicians out there though who are taking things to a very high level:
Louis Cole/Knower, Jacob Collier, Dirty Loops, Fizz, Snarky Puppy, Matteo Mancuso and the better know artists like Kendrick Lamar, Tyler The Creator, Lil Nas and a whole bunch of artists yet to be discovered.
Nowadays the popular music charts - Spotify etc - have reduced that spectrum to a few genres that seem to copy whatever style is en Vogue. One has to dig deeper to find the broader spectrum of music outside of these algorithms.
There are some outrageously talented musicians out there though who are taking things to a very high level:
Louis Cole/Knower, Jacob Collier, Dirty Loops, Fizz, Snarky Puppy, Matteo Mancuso and the better know artists like Kendrick Lamar, Tyler The Creator, Lil Nas and a whole bunch of artists yet to be discovered.
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- KVRist
- 375 posts since 17 Nov, 2022
Because the music industry hadn't figured out the hit formula back then, making them earn less (or lose more) money compared to today. In the 90s they finally did, this was the decade when things changed the most.kelvyn wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:32 am There’s always been a generic approach to pop music that appeals to the lowest common denominator - hence the ‘Pop’ - but in the past the popular music charts were a lot more eclectic and pop covered a wider spectrum of musical styles.
Another thing that changed back then was the function of music itself, it turned from a "Give me all your attention" product to convenient background noise (which was the norm for a long time). So we're actually closer to how things were more than a hundred years ago.
- addled muppet weed
- 111242 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
modern music, is much like modern food.
if you only go for fast food, then yes, modern food, is shite.
if you only go for fast food, then yes, modern food, is shite.