FR: Still no DAW-synced MMultiAnalyzer Wave-Form Mode like in Oszillos Mega Scope or PsyScope???

[] Peter:H []

Final Bump .. then I'm officially giving up to expect any interaction from the "new melda" staff.
Sorry. That "new melda" sucks compared to the original company philospoy.
New philosophy: Don't give a shit about kvr
Old philosophy: Be grumpy, tell everybody, everything is impossible ... then in 2-3 months have the customer feedback included anyways. And we all loved it!

[MeldaProduction]

I was grumpy? Noooo!
You know, we now have multiple devs and guess what all of them have too much to do. And the list is neverending. This request of yours just isn't in the "priority" stuff, sorry.

[] Peter:H []

I was grumpy? Noooo!
You know, we now have multiple devs and guess what all of them have too much to do. And the list is neverending. This request of yours just isn't in the "priority" stuff, sorry.

please read my "grumpy" in a appreciative way.

And how should I read your "isn't in the priority stuff"? should I read it in the old melda spirit we all love or the new one

[Held]

And how should I read your "isn't in the priority stuff"? should I read it in the old melda spirit we all love or the new one

Hopefully in the way that gives us the mixing revolution soon. There are already plenty of tempo synced oscilloscopes, but there is no mixing revolution yet.

[] Peter:H []

And how should I read your "isn't in the priority stuff"? should I read it in the old melda spirit we all love or the new one

Hopefully in the way that gives us the mixing revolution soon. There are already plenty of tempo synced oscilloscopes, but there is no mixing revolution yet.

Huh, how many synced multi-in scopes do you know?
And you say what some trance guys do to carefully avoid canceling of bass and bdr is not mixing? Might hold for you.
And actually to turn the ever scrolling waveform display to sth even more usefull should be a good job for an intern as the hardest parts are already solved.
I don't want to wait for a years old blurred promise.
I prefere to have the tools that are already there improved.

[Held]

If I have to choose between a marginal workflow improvement and a magical revolutionary workflow improvement, I'd rather want the revolution.

[elirian]

This would be my no1 feature request for the whole Melda ecosystem (!). Instead, I load a PsyscopePro after and don't use any of the internal meters, but it gets annoying with going back and forth.

This is as simple as MXXX and MOscilloscope to have a 1 bar / beat waveform view. It can be even "hacked" - instead of having a detector, allow to type in manually frequency or timing, can be even in ms or Hz (allowing it to go to fractions), I can convert from bpm myself...

But please consider that there are many of us really lacking this simple feature...

[_al_]

I have to agree with Peter and Elirian here.
Mixing Revolution... meh... that's just a word. How many times have we seen a new plugin claiming to revolutionize this or that.
And to this day, I don't think I've bought a single plugin that actually HAS revolutionized anything in the way I work.

I have things like Soothe, ProQ 4 and Metric AB which have certainly speeded up certain processes for me, but in 10 years, I'm not gonna look back at any of those and think "yep... that was the plugin that changed everything"

So please excuse me for not getting excited over this Mixing Revolution.

Now tempo synced oscilloscopes... I can't tell you how many times I've been watching a YT tutorial on something, and the guy is telling people to download Psyscope (or similar), so they can work on their kick and bass with confidence.
And they will talk about this syncing feature with some reverence.
So it's clearly not just a niche thing that only a handful of users need.

Sometimes I just load up Shaperbox, so I can use it's oscilloscope.
Just makes it easier when you are looking at exactly one bar of audio, and the kick is exactly where it should be, at the start.

Otherwise, I could be adjusting the vol of a bongo or something, and after adjusting, when I look at the oscithing again, I'll need a second to work out where the start of the bar is etc.
Really breaks workflow when you are in the zone.

Don't know if anyone remembers the really early Melda releases (2009 or something), but originally, all the graphs in the modulators had lines and snap setting based on a decimal system.

So one bar of music would have a graph with lines 1 - 5.
So good luck getting a node to snap the 3rd beat or whatever. That required a grid with 4 steps, not 5.

What surprised me the most though, was when Vojtech said he didn't think the change would be important enough to implement (or something along those lines).

This guy is/was a drummer, and he didn't even see this as a problem when coding these plugins.
So I get the impression he originally approached his plugins from a mathematical perspective, rather than a musician's one.
How else can you explain such an omittance?

And the funny thing is... when he DID finally fix the grid lines / snap, that literally DID revolutionize his plugins for me.
I was like "yay, finally I can blast off into outer space". The difference was like night and day for me.
And yet... this was a feature that Vojtech originally thought wasn't important enough to implement.

So yeah... while I do have nothing but respect for the guy and his plugins, I'm defo taking this mixing revolution with a pinch of salt.
So if everything else is taking a backseat because of this...

That said... Melda do seem to be under a bit of pressure atm.
I recently reported a bug in Mconvo graph, Vojtech acknowledged the bug, and the latest release (17.03) was released without addressing the issue.
That's the first time I can remember that happening!

So things have definitely changed with the company in some ways.

I guess though, we should just be happy that we have the features we do have.
Can't even imagine being without Melda the last 10 years.

[Held]

I have to agree with Peter and Elirian here.
Mixing Revolution... meh... that's just a word. How many times have we seen a new plugin claiming to revolutionize this or that.
And to this day, I don't think I've bought a single plugin that actually HAS revolutionized anything in the way I work.

I have things like Soothe, ProQ 4 and Metric AB which have certainly speeded up certain processes for me, but in 10 years, I'm not gonna look back at any of those and think "yep... that was the plugin that changed everything"

So please excuse me for not getting excited over this Mixing Revolution.

That's like telling Henry Ford to build faster coaches, because who knows if those newfangled cars will amount to anything.

Now tempo synced oscilloscopes... I can't tell you how many times I've been watching a YT tutorial on something, and the guy is telling people to download Psyscope (or similar), so they can work on their kick and bass with confidence.
And they will talk about this syncing feature with some reverence.
So it's clearly not just a niche thing that only a handful of users need.

So you're saying, that it's already possible to align kick and bass with confidence. That's what I am saying too.

I think MeldaProduction is at their best, when they innovate instead of copy. I'd like to see more innovation

[zedeloc]

People who make new and interesting things, who have a unique vision, do their best work when they're inspired and working on what actually interests them. We as consumers only see the fruits of a long laborious process, and we only get miniscule glimpses beyond that when they are graciously filtered to us. MeldaProduction has a vision and a plan. And only they are qualified to make crucial decisions like allocating priority to achieve their goals.

But it seems like a few of the users here have recognized a hole in the market, and even made a tool to fill it. Why don't you guys group up to create the tool you dream of? Who better than the people with a unique vision who have a problem to solve that truly interests them?

[] Peter:H []

People who make new and interesting things, who have a unique vision, do their best work when they're inspired and working on what actually interests them. We as consumers only see the fruits of a long laborious process, and we only get miniscule glimpses beyond that when they are graciously filtered to us. MeldaProduction has a vision and a plan. And only they are qualified to make crucial decisions like allocating priority to achieve their goals.

But it seems like a few of the users here have recognized a hole in the market, and even made a tool to fill it. Why don't you guys group up to create the tool you dream of? Who better than the people with a unique vision who have a problem to solve that truly interests them?

ha ha ha that's hilarious ... Innovation need Engineering and working on a solid foundation as well.
Funnny part - You guys talk about a mixing revolution and say that a Feature Request that is about mixing is crap.
And you don't even dare to think a little.

I'm a software engineer, when I build systems I do
1.) Try to avoid challenges first place - analogy "Phase cancelation" is the challenge.
2.) If I cannot avoid it, I give people tools to DETECT that they are victim to the problem - analogy A usefull multi-in scope can be a visual sensor.
3.) If it can be DETECTED, give people the tools to automatically REPAIR it - INNOVATION HAPPENS HERE. The Psy Trance Masters do it all manually even

So I would say ... 2. is almost there, it's about a two sprints for an intern to adjust MMUltiAnalyser. And then 3. can built upon it, like a "Derive Freeform Phase Config from Cancelations" which helps to avoid phase cancelation. Voila ... I see, that you don't think in this direction ... next time may be. And if Cancelation-Detection is not part of the long sought holy grail, the Mix Revolution, then I bet it's not a revolution and not really innovative.

Innovation needs engineering. Innovation needs THINKING!

Not talking about product management, where Differsification, Differntiation and Continuos Improvements are all valid approaches to keep a product relevant.

Anyways ... the discussion has become futile since Melda clearly stated that he and his team aren't interested at all.

[Held]

I'm a software engineer, when I build systems I do

Great. Then get to it. Since you're a software engineer, you can build your own tool instead of trying to convince someone who said they aren't interested in building what you want. To be honest, you sound more like the friend with an "amazing idea for an app" that every software engineer has do deal with.

1.) Try to avoid challenges first place - analogy "Phase cancelation" is the challenge.
2.) If I cannot avoid it, I give people tools to DETECT that they are victim to the problem - analogy A usefull multi-in scope can be a visual sensor.
3.) If it can be DETECTED, give people the tools to automatically REPAIR it - INNOVATION HAPPENS HERE. The Psy Trance Masters do it all manually even

I've watched a lot of mixing videos over a huge range of genres and 99.9% of them use simple volume shaping for the bass to avoid phase issues. The only people who do phase alignment are psy trance producers and it's easy for them since their bass line rarely changes pitch.

Innovation needs THINKING!

Is that why you're trying to avoid it and want to focus on cloning existing products?

[] Peter:H []

I'm a software engineer, when I build systems I do

Great. Then get to it. Since you're a software engineer, you can build your own tool instead of trying to convince someone who said they aren't interested in building what you want. To be honest, you sound more like the friend with an "amazing idea for an app" that every software engineer has do deal with.

1.) Try to avoid challenges first place - analogy "Phase cancelation" is the challenge.
2.) If I cannot avoid it, I give people tools to DETECT that they are victim to the problem - analogy A usefull multi-in scope can be a visual sensor.
3.) If it can be DETECTED, give people the tools to automatically REPAIR it - INNOVATION HAPPENS HERE. The Psy Trance Masters do it all manually even

I've watched a lot of mixing videos over a huge range of genres and 99.9% of them use simple volume shaping for the bass to avoid phase issues. The only people who do phase alignment are psy trance producers and it's easy for them since their bass line rarely changes pitch.

Innovation needs THINKING!

Is that why you're trying to avoid it and want to focus on cloning existing products?

90% of the "clone" are already there in MMultiAnalyzer. The collected waveform display ... if you might have noticed it. Only the logic of displaying it is lacking the sync.
Just try a valid argument. Otherwise take your ><((((*>

[_al_]

Why don't you guys group up to create the tool you dream of? Who better than the people with a unique vision who have a problem to solve that truly interests them?

Well the thing is that the Melda ecosystem is still pretty unique, due to it's sheer depth and complexity.
My only other plugin that gets used as much as Melda is Shaperbox 3, and that does indeed have synced visuals. And although SB does get chosen over Melda for certain tasks, it can't totally replace it.
But yeah, we can still load up Psyscope, SB 3 etc, if we're that bothered.

I've watched a lot of mixing videos over a huge range of genres and 99.9% of them use simple volume shaping for the bass to avoid phase issues. The only people who do phase alignment are psy trance producers and it's easy for them since their bass line rarely changes pitch.

I recently watched a video on making techno, and the guy recommended Psyscope (which I thought was only known in Psy circles).
It's not just used for sample accurate phase alignment. It's useful on drumloops and stuff, when you want to see the changes you are making with certain fx.
It's like an extra safety net, along with spectrum analysers.
Oh and also, the compressors suffer from this problem too, so it's not just for the oscilloscope. It would literally make the whole user experience less confusing!

And honestly, I think for an oscilloscope to NOT have this feature in 2025... it's almost like it's crippling itself.


And though I do admit I get along fine without this feature... to a non coder like me, it just seems like it would be such a trivial piece of coding... I don't see why it wouldn't be there.
I mean, I view Melda as the "Ultimate" plugin ecosystem, and that's why I find it strange that this would be omitted.
Looking at their original motto "Impossible Is Nothing"... well I guess that doesn't include daw synced waveforms, which is something that you even find on freeware.

[MeldaProduction]

The thing is, MMultiAnalyzer was never an oscilloscope! It's a tool for comparing spectrums and finding collisions. That's what musicians do the most. And as such, adding what you are asking for is reaaaally difficult. If you have a plugin with a sidechain showing 2 spectrums, sure, easy, but here, not at all. And since there are plugins that do, what you ask for...