Why are people so AFRAID of MELDA plugins?

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Frantz wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 9:52 pm This weekend I decided to give MDrummer another try. I bought it a long time ago but shelved it after getting frustrated with it. I finally had a breakthough where I understand most of it now and am getting results but it was an uphill struggle.

With a plugin this deep and complex, the learning curve is increased unnecessarily by choosing confusing names for key bits of functionality. Even though I understand it now, in 6 months I will probably forget these details.
Speaking as a total Melda fanboy, I have to say that MDrummer is one of the most infuriating and confusing VSTs I've ever tried to use.
Well actually... I bought it, so I DID use it intensively for a month or so.
I was simply trying to build a kit for EDM production, and wow... what a shitshow.
The thing that really finished me off, was when I realised that certain cymbals etc were hardwired to "Overhead" channels outputs, and could not be reassigned.

Every other fking drumpad could be reassigned to Output 1 or whatever, but there was this handful of drumpads that simply would not allow it!

So bizarre.
So after many hours of sweating over this "Monster" drum machine, I finally realised that it wasn't as flexible as I expected, and had just wasted however much money the damn thing was, I forget.

So for you, who is getting their first Melda experience from that thing, I really do feel your pain :lol:

But for everyone talking about Melda in general...
Not sure how good this analogy is, but hey, it kinda works:
Let's say you have been taking Public Transport to work every day for a year.
After a year or so, do you wake up, and think:
"oh shit, I've got this walk to the bus stop, 20 min wait, and then I have to remember the stop I get off at, so I can ring the bell, get off the bus, walk left, take 3rd right" etc, etc.

No, because after a year, you are not even thinking about such things, because you were forced to master the mechanisms, otherwise you're paying for an Uber.

Well as you know, we have an abundance of cheap Uber options in the VST world.
So I think people who choose Melda are people who want to explore the audio world, learning as they go.
Whereas VST Uber is more for people who just want to get from A to B.

Honestly, I can see the merits of both sides, but there is certainly Melda plugins that I would HATE to be without.
For example MdelayMB. And a big part of the appeal is the sheer (near unlimited) depth.
I have never contemplated replacing MdelayMB with something else.
Not even once
(ok maybe replaced it one time with Objeq Delay :hug: )

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I'm not afraid. Who is afraid?

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_al_ wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:18 am Speaking as a total Melda fanboy, I have to say that MDrummer is one of the most infuriating and confusing VSTs I've ever tried to use.
Well actually... I bought it, so I DID use it intensively for a month or so.
I was simply trying to build a kit for EDM production, and wow... what a shitshow.
The thing that really finished me off, was when I realised that certain cymbals etc were hardwired to "Overhead" channels outputs, and could not be reassigned.

Every other fking drumpad could be reassigned to Output 1 or whatever, but there was this handful of drumpads that simply would not allow it!

So bizarre.
So after many hours of sweating over this "Monster" drum machine, I finally realised that it wasn't as flexible as I expected, and had just wasted however much money the damn thing was, I forget.

So for you, who is getting their first Melda experience from that thing, I really do feel your pain :lol:
Actually I have been using some of the simpler Melda plugins (MAutoVolume and MPhaser) for some time but this is the first complex one that I did a deep dive on. I am happy I invested the effort since you can get some cool drum patterns out of this plugin. But I haven't messed with multi-outputs yet so I haven't run into your particular issue yet.

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Granted you can do a lot with them, personally, I just think that there is much out there in plugin land that (imo) is much better than the Melda stuff. :shrug:

Never tried M-Drummer myself...

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GusGranite wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:53 pm I got into Melda plugins when I saw Luca Pretolesi rocking MAutoDynamicEQ in his session. Soon after, Melda gave away their MSpectralDelay new release which is still one of the best delays in my toolbox. That pretty much won me over.
Are you using MSpectralDelay as a normal delay? Also, how and when are you using it? Asking, because it was the first plugin I did get from Melda, because I found it so interesteting, but after having struggles to get well sounding results, I've put it aside.
Last chance

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I'm afraid. I never quite clicked with the interface and feel intimidated by it. I know if I break it down into sections I could probably eventually learn it. Which is probably what I should and will do one day.

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I use several of them consistently. They work fine. If looks mattered, I wouldn’t be married.

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Frantz wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:51 am Actually I have been using some of the simpler Melda plugins (MAutoVolume and MPhaser) for some time but this is the first complex one that I did a deep dive on. I am happy I invested the effort since you can get some cool drum patterns out of this plugin. But I haven't messed with multi-outputs yet so I haven't run into your particular issue yet.
Seriously, if you like the phaser, you should check the multiband version.
Totally different league with those different crossover modes.
The Tonal / Transient is my favourite. Phaser on a drum loop, while leaving the snap / punch unaffected? Yep, I'll have some of that.
Now do the same thing with his Chorus, Reverb or Distortion etc :hyper:

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_al_ wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:01 pm
Frantz wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:51 am Actually I have been using some of the simpler Melda plugins (MAutoVolume and MPhaser) for some time but this is the first complex one that I did a deep dive on. I am happy I invested the effort since you can get some cool drum patterns out of this plugin. But I haven't messed with multi-outputs yet so I haven't run into your particular issue yet.
Seriously, if you like the phaser, you should check the multiband version.
Totally different league with those different crossover modes.
The Tonal / Transient is my favourite. Phaser on a drum loop, while leaving the snap / punch unaffected? Yep, I'll have some of that.
Now do the same thing with his Chorus, Reverb or Distortion etc :hyper:
Right on. These are the kind of sound design capabilities in Melda plugins that people often have no idea exists unfortunately.

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I want to love them... but I always end up spending a shameful amount of time trying to find basic menus or getting them to do basic things, I don't know why they are the hardest plugins to figure out of my life, and I truly mean just doing simple things with them. Unfortunately the manual isn't always helpful.

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I love MTurboReverb, MMultiAnalyzer, MAutodynamicEq, MSpectralDynamics, and MBassador.
But I doscovered them because I really needed a Drum machine as powerfull as Jamstix, so I bought MDrummer first.
I have to say that I find it very tedious, that's the least to say. I keep it because I bought it, but I wish it were simpler, keeping the complexity. I feel like I have to learn it more deeply, and give up on some simplicity I won't find, but it's tedious.

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_al_ wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:18 am
...MDrummer is one of the most infuriating and confusing VSTs I've ever tried to use.
...So after many hours of sweating over this "Monster" drum machine, I finally realised that it wasn't as flexible as I expected, and had just wasted however much money the damn thing was, I forget.
Right! But...
What Drum VST would you recommend (EDM)?
Once the custom folder is defined you can easily step through your sounds and create your special Drumsets.
I found that nowhere else better.

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blommberg wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:34 am
Right! But...
What Drum VST would you recommend (EDM)?
Sadly enough, I can't find a drum sampler that does what I need in an intuitive way.
(I think Avenger came closest lol)
I did ask Vojtech if he would consider making a stripped down version of MDrummer for EDM producers, but I don't remember getting a reply for that, which I guess means no.

Currently, I've settled for a separate drumpad approach, with borg's Backbone, and Kick 2 for the kick (Kick 2 or 3, can't remember which is latest).

Quite annoying actually, because with MDrummer, it would just be a matter of deleting bits of code. No new coding required. Just the drumpads going through envelopes, then through 16 outs. :help:

And MDrummer already ships with 3 versions (Normal, MD 1 out, MD 16 out), each one just as irritating as the other :lol: :lol:

Oh well... but yeah, Backbone gets the job done, if you are ok with the separate drumpad approach, but you still can't preview a folder of sounds easy. Still need to drag and drop onto the drumpad

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The elephant in the room. The main developer is super anti Mac OS, and has spent time on this forum making it a mission of his to "convert" people to Windows. I generally avoid products by people who hate working in the OS I use. I just don't think it's possible to do good work on a house if you hate the owner of the house. In the past I've sought out support on a plugin from other companies to have the developer try to blame Mac OS for his issue, when it clearly has nothing to do with Mac OS. I think it's a fair assumption that if the main developer of a company makes or interjects in multiple threads on KVR that people should switch to Windows so he can make better plugins etc. that support with Melda would be even worse this way.

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