Izotope / updates / general behaviour

[Held]

If you're on MacOS, every update will break a bunch (if not all) of your plugins. So unless you get an update, you you can't keep using those plugins.

It's a fact that I had zero plugins "break" in the move from Mac OS 13 to 14, or 14 to 15. That's as much as I can recall with certainty. The last thing I remember that there was no help for was Kore 2, because NI Service Center couldn't deal after an OS update, ca. 2018.

The use of the word "every" was hyperbole. But it used to be common practice for music producers to hold of on MacOS updates to give plugin developers a chance to fix their plugins for that new version. Maybe things have improved

I have things that predate x64 (some by quite a bit) that, because the developer made it so, still work in the up til a couple days ago most recent iteration, and are native Apple Silicon.

And you didn't have to pay for any of those updates, right? Because that's the topic of this thread. Please share which developers are so nice to keep their plugins up to date for free.

When a plugin no longer works in the OS, it means that the developer didn't continue development for the platform. The OS breaking anything is the wrong way of looking at this. It's not the developers of the OS's problem to ensure plugins work or not.

You can look at it that way. Or you can look at Windows where you can still use plugins that haven't been updated in decades.

90% is just fine. I had to update my studio computer two iterations, from 13 to 15 and the only things that broke was Waves and Fabfilter, but Fabfilter always puts out updates so that was fixed in minutes. Waves on the other hand... ugh... damn, I like their stuff, but man their way of making business is so predatory.

Does Fabfilter also update older versions of their plugins? Like Pro-Q2 or 3? Because that's the point of this thread. Not being forced to pay for an upgrade when updating your OS.

[DrGonzo]

90% is just fine. I had to update my studio computer two iterations, from 13 to 15 and the only things that broke was Waves and Fabfilter, but Fabfilter always puts out updates so that was fixed in minutes. Waves on the other hand... ugh... damn, I like their stuff, but man their way of making business is so predatory.

Does Fabfilter also update older versions of their plugins? Like Pro-Q2 or 3? Because that's the point of this thread. Not being forced to pay for an upgrade when updating your OS.

Honestly, I'm not really keeping track of that. Their stuff broke when I updated my Mac and I downloaded the latest version and that was that.

When a plugin no longer works in the OS, it means that the developer didn't continue development for the platform. The OS breaking anything is the wrong way of looking at this. It's not the developers of the OS's problem to ensure plugins work or not.

You can look at it that way. Or you can look at Windows where you can still use plugins that haven't been updated in decades.

Don't turn this into a Windows vs Mac argument. Everybody knows that plugins break more often on Mac than on PC.

/C

[Frankie.T]

I rarely see Izotope stuff updated. (Although the Ozone EQ got an update through NI the other day. )

Not even for OS updates?

Every year, a new version is released (which doesn't support older versions) and it comes at a cost.

If you're looking for something that offers continuous updates at no extra cost and is backward compatible with older projects, check out Melda.

There's also a plugin called i think Mautovolume, that is like Vocal rider

you do know that you don't have to update just because there is an update? you can still run the plugins you're running now, and the sky won't fall. lots of ppl i work with run older plugins, and everyone gets their work done

He asked for OS updates, so if your newer OS version doesn't support older software you have to update your software. That what's happen with Apple usually.

[Frankie.T]

I rarely see Izotope stuff updated. (Although the Ozone EQ got an update through NI the other day. )

Not even for OS updates?

Every year, a new version is released (which doesn't support older versions) and it comes at a cost.

If you're looking for something that offers continuous updates at no extra cost and is backward compatible with older projects, check out Melda.

There's also a plugin called i think Mautovolume, that is like Vocal rider

Yeah, I was actually considering Melda. It's a solid alternative. But Nectar would consolidate a bunch of functions I am using into one + lots of stuff I maybe find useful. It's a plugin just made for vocals after all.

But you have a great point. Maybe it's better to have all things separate.

I own both Melda (the full bundle) and Ozone Advanced (few versions the last i have is 11). Both great products, i value a lot backward compatibility (and also DRM) so i dropped Ozone because of that.

Once you get used to the Melda stuff, for me is even a faster approach. Because i load whatever i need, instead to "play" with the modules i have in Nectar, that may miss something the vocal needs.

Without a "precompiled" approach my ears and brain are way more bounded with the audio i'm listeing too, and this, at least for me, leads to best results.

But really there isn't "the best thing to do" but just to understand the differences and decide what's the best for yourself, but if you wanna get rid of Waves because of upgrades and so, i don't see how iZotope stuff would improve that. Waves have WUP, while iZotope have different versions, at the end of the story it's the same "give me your money for updates", nothing wrong ofc, i mean it's a business model, but it's still something to keep in mind.

[fisherKing]

you do know that you don't have to update just because there is an update? you can still run the plugins you're running now, and the sky won't fall. lots of ppl i work with run older plugins, and everyone gets their work done

Eventually, your OS will run out of security updates and if your PC is connected to the internet, you really shouldn't keep using it unless you're fine with being complicit in criminal activity.

If you're on MacOS, every update will break a bunch (if not all) of your plugins. So unless you get an update, you you can't keep using those plugins.

But if you're talking Windows, you're right.

'criminal activity' - you're kidding right?

and plugins broken?

evidence? as that is not my experience (and i run the mac OS betas). ALL my 3rd-party plugins continue to work.

[Held]

'criminal activity' - you're kidding right?

If an outdated device is connected to the internet, it is likely to become part of a botnet. And those are usually used for illegal stuff.

[DrGonzo]

but if you wanna get rid of Waves because of upgrades and so, i don't see how iZotope stuff would improve that. Waves have WUP, while iZotope have different versions, at the end of the story it's the same "give me your money for updates", nothing wrong ofc, i mean it's a business model, but it's still something to keep in mind.

Yes, you are absolutely correct. Thanks for setting me straight. Melda it is then.

[fisherKing]

'criminal activity' - you're kidding right?

If an outdated device is connected to the internet, it is likely to become part of a botnet. And those are usually used for illegal stuff.

yes, that happened to every single person i know who didn't update their computers (and i know at least 6 people)

[osiris]

I love the Melda stuff but it always breaks. And I have to go do an update. It's really the opposite of Izotope because they seem to update quite regularly. The Melda Manager is quite benign and the only way to know there's an update is when a blank page comes up where the VST ought to be. I will say this behavior has subsided recently.

[DrGonzo]

I love the Melda stuff but it always breaks. And I have to go do an update. It's really the opposite of Izotope because they seem to update quite regularly. The Melda Manager is quite benign and the only way to know there's an update is when a blank page comes up where the VST ought to be. I will say this behavior has subsided recently.

I seem to remember this as well. I own a few Meldas from earlier. But as long as they don't greet me with a paywall to download the same plugin again, I don't mind.

[osiris]

The one thing that bugs me about Melda is the Manager will not let me uninstall one plugin. It has to be all . I believe this is the Free stuff.
The big stuff is always separate, but I don't know why they let you choose which free FX to install, but make you uninstall everything if you don't want or need one. (I guess you just reinstall again after taking out what you want but that seems like a PITA)

[revvy]

This is the Melda that wrote to their customers suggesting they switch from Mac to Windows?

Wouldn't use Melda on my Mac. Different story if I was on PC, I imagine.

[Scoops]

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Does Fabfilter also update older versions of their plugins? Like Pro-Q2 or 3? Because that's the point of this thread. Not being forced to pay for an upgrade when updating your OS.

I have many of the FabFilter plugins
I went from Win10 to win11 without issue or payment for updates.
I don't know if they specifically update the plugins for different OS updates, they just simply worked in the new OS.

[fisherKing]

er_id=163537]
Does Fabfilter also update older versions of their plugins? Like Pro-Q2 or 3? Because that's the point of this thread. Not being forced to pay for an upgrade when updating your OS.

I have many of the FabFilter plugins
I went from Win10 to win11 without issue or payment for updates.
I don't know if they specifically update the plugins for different OS updates, they just simply worked in the new OS.

always true here too on my mac. am using pro-Q 4, but when i open older projects with Q-3, works fine (this is on mac os tahoe).

[t.o.t.s.]

The one thing that bugs me about Melda is the Manager will not let me uninstall one plugin. It has to be all . I believe this is the Free stuff.
The big stuff is always separate, but I don't know why they let you choose which free FX to install, but make you uninstall everything if you don't want or need one. (I guess you just reinstall again after taking out what you want but that seems like a PITA)

This is no longer the case. You can install whatever you want or dont want, even from the free bundle.

MAutoVolume is also my preferred choice. works great.