Korg Collection 6 with PS-3300, Trinity and SGX-2 Piano

[SLiC]

waiting for Z1, no real interest in this (or the last) update but will of course demo!

[EvilDragon]

so it is Cali R&D at work.. nice.
rsp

Most of OASYS project and its offshoots were done by Korg USA, to my recollection.

[zvenx]

I didn't realise Trinity was an Oasys offshoot was it? Didn't it come before the OASYS?
I think after their stellar work with the Arp 2600, Korg would have no other real choice but to assign them the PS3300.
rsp

[IvyBirds]

You don't really. Triton doesn't sound the same as Trinity, Waveststion sounds lo-fi by comparison, and Wavestate sounds even more hi-fi by comparison. Trinity stands on its own.

That's certainly true, however I think for many users (myself included) if you already have the M1 and the Triton plugins you feel you already have the late 1980s to late 1990s Korg Rompler sounds covered well enough especially as the M1 Plugin uses higher fidelity samples than the hardware did.

Are there sonic differences between the PCM Rompler sounds of M1, Trinity, and Triton? Sure but not enough for many people to care in modern audio production

[EvilDragon]

Yes but then you're missing the mid-90s sound. Which was the Trinity.

(It's my personal favorite, yup.)

[EvilDragon]

I didn't realise Triton was an Oasys offshoot was it? Didn't it come before the OASYS?

Trinity, Z1, Prophecy, OASYS PCI...

The original OASYS project started in 1993 or thereabouts (Dan will correct me if I'm wrong), but it never saw the light of day. Then Korg used the tech that was researched and developed in smaller, less ambitions (but ambitious still) products.

[ffx]

As far as I know the Trinity is a subset of the Triton, why they didn't overhaul the Triton GUI and added a "Trinity" mode instead? However the Trinity GUI is better than the badly readable and quite laggy Triton GUI. Do you agree?

I think the Z1 is Prophecy in polyphonic simply? If so, Prophecy VST is enough already...?

[EvilDragon]

Trinity came before Triton, so it's not neceessarily a subset. In fact, Triton has some features cut from Trinity, Trinity has better and more flexible filters, for example.

Z1 is not a polyphonic Prophecy. Prophecy has dual waveshapers that Z1 doesn't have, Z1 has additional synthesis engines that Prophecy doesn't have (and is multitimbral).

However the Trinity GUI is better than the badly readable and quite laggy Triton GUI. Do you agree?

I don't agree, I have zero issues with Triton GUI.

[tumface]

Yeah, Trinity was the missing link. Early 90s/late 80s was covered, late 90s/Y2K was covered, but not the area between 1995 and 1999, where the Trinity ruled. It's also a more fun synth to program than the Triton, having dual filters, 4 resonant filter types (LPF, HPF, BPF, Notch) that can be routed in parallel or serial, instead of either a single lowpass or a serial lowpass+highpass with no resonance like the Triton. It also doesn't have the pretty brutal modulation stepping of the Triton. The Triton's multisamples were really hi-fi for its time, though.

Great to finally have it as a plugin. This Korg Collection upgrade is a great one. I actually wanted all 3 of the new additions.

[tumface]

However the Trinity GUI is better than the badly readable and quite laggy Triton GUI. Do you agree?

I don't agree, I have zero issues with Triton GUI.

Triton GUI takes over 5 seconds to show on my PC each time I reopen it. And sometimes it will show up as a blank init state, and I have to close and reopen the GUI. It's less than 1 second on my mac. (It also still has an unfixed bug with saving drum prog edits inside of a combi, where it will lose your saved changes in the plugin's VST state.)

[ffx]

I don't agree, I have zero issues with Triton GUI.

Hm, Triton is not gpu accelerated, stutters with 30fps or lower. Most space is wasted with skeuomorphism graphics, not actual UX / controls. That ratio definitively is better with Trinity GUI. And it runs smoothly at 60 / 120 / 144Hz.

[MillerSam]

A Z1 plugin would be amazing. I had the Z1 hardware and the menu diving drove me crazy

The PS-3300 and ARP 2600 are made by the R&D Team in the US, who also created the Kronos and the new digital synths (modwave, wavestate...)

Trinity came before Triton, so it's not neceessarily a subset. In fact, Triton has some features cut from Trinity, Trinity has better and more flexible filters, for example.

Z1 is not a polyphonic Prophecy. Prophecy has dual waveshapers that Z1 doesn't have, Z1 has additional synthesis engines that Prophecy doesn't have (and is multitimbral).

However the Trinity GUI is better than the badly readable and quite laggy Triton GUI. Do you agree?

I don't agree, I have zero issues with Triton GUI.

[zvenx]

I didn't realise Triton was an Oasys offshoot was it? Didn't it come before the OASYS?

Trinity, Z1, Prophecy, OASYS PCI...

The original OASYS project started in 1993 or thereabouts (Dan will correct me if I'm wrong), but it never saw the light of day. Then Korg used the tech that was researched and developed in smaller, less ambitions (but ambitious still) products.

I meant to type Trinity not Triton my bad (in Jamaica where 180 mph Melissa is coming in a few hours so a bit distracted ).
I have a friend in Ja who bought the hardware Oasys for 8,000 US then Korg abandoned it shortly after, I still tease him about it.
I do remember the Oasys PCI etc.. I just didn't realise the Trinity was part of the OASYS project..
rsp

[tumface]

I'm actually having to turn the voice count down on Trinity to 64 from the default of 128, since it's hitting the limit of a single core on my old Threadripper. I wonder if the Korg team got new computers and don't notice it.

[zvenx]

I actually never liked the Trinity Hardware, my friend and business partner at the time had one of them (and a K2000 Kurzweil), he loved them... I stuck to my M1ex..
rsp