Greg
Free Tracktion with Tape-OP
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Someone who owns a proper studio is probably too interested in music and craftsmanship to make such a post, so I wouldn't sweat it. Written communication isn't very accurate sometimes (I've come across wrong a bunch of times, myself), but I think by reading the post we start to get a bit of insight into this particular person.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 2565 posts since 30 Mar, 2004 from Phoenix AZ USA
Who cares
Tracktion Rocks!
I choose it over all the others, nobody made me do it and money was not a issue.
Tracktion Rocks!
I choose it over all the others, nobody made me do it and money was not a issue.
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- KVRist
- 102 posts since 10 Apr, 2003 from Bed, mainly
I use just Tracktion and Nuendo 2.2 for all my work (which incidentally is pro-broadcast TV work in the UK) and it's important to remember that Tracktion was conceived as an alternative to the multi-windowed, multi-processored, multi-output heavyweight workstation ethics of Nuendo and Pro Tools, particularly.nigeltufnel wrote:tracktion is a big joke,..i'm glad it was free,because i wouldnt pay $10 for it,much less $80.
Like Jules (Tracktion's developer), my background was with ultra-high-end DAW systems for audio, CGI and video and Tracktion actually owes more to systems like those than it does low-cost Windows/Mac software packages like Cubase and Logic.
As a sound editor, I'm using Tracktion and Nuendo together on a daily basis on my current effects-heavy TV project - Tracktion for making/manipulating the sound design elements and then Nuendo for fitting them to picture/laying them out for mixing.
Nigel (best name on the forum), this isn't the standard "oooh, don't be nasty about my favourite app..." forum-rant, but more a friendly suggestion that as a full-time Nuendo owner/user myself you might want to take another look at Tracktion as you really are missing out on something rather special!
There's now a whole community of professional Tracktion/Nuendo people knocking around here in Soho, using this particular pairing on a number of top film & TV projects... it would be a shame if your (totally-understandable) initial reactions stopped you exploring Tracktion further. By design it was conceived to do all the things that Nuendo doesn't... and probably won't... and lurking behind that "Fisher Price meets Flame" interface is one of the most powerful audio engines of the last 5 years. Really.
That's all.
Philip
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
I'm glad I controlled my rage long enough for somebody to reply rationally. I was about to hand that biotch a serious verbal beat-down. But your post is a lot more useful 
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
Great insight Philip (I wonder if he'll read it?).
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SuitcaseOfLizards SuitcaseOfLizards https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2363 - KVRAF
- 10879 posts since 3 Apr, 2002 from Austin, TX USA
Nigel just has the software equivalent of penis envy. 
Use what works, if it doesn't work for you, fine. Why do you feel a need to post about it? Have you considered therapy? There *is* help!
Use what works, if it doesn't work for you, fine. Why do you feel a need to post about it? Have you considered therapy? There *is* help!
Bandcamp: https://suitcaseoflizards.bandcamp.com/
Linux Mint, Waveform 13 Pro, U-He synths, Audio Damage effects,.
Linux Mint, Waveform 13 Pro, U-He synths, Audio Damage effects,.
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
well I do the same thing here as philip except not in the professional realm (yet), with adobe audition to do the mixing/production aspect whereas tracktion does the sequencing and recording. Its a powerpack to use two great programs like this
RonC
RonC
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10242 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
Its always intelligent for your first post at kvr to be a slag at a peice of software in that developer's forum. Especially when one is comparing it against a different application that retails for 16x (thats 16 times) the amount of the software that was slagged!
brilliant!
brilliant!
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 26 Dec, 2004
[quote="philip"][quote="nigeltufnel"]tracktion is a big joke,..i'm glad it was free,because i wouldnt pay $10 for it,much less $80.[/quote]
I use just Tracktion and Nuendo 2.2 for all my work (which incidentally is pro-broadcast TV work in the UK) and it's important to remember that Tracktion was conceived as an [i]alternative[/i] to the multi-windowed, multi-processored, multi-output heavyweight workstation ethics of Nuendo and Pro Tools, particularly.
Like Jules (Tracktion's developer), my background was with ultra-high-end DAW systems for audio, CGI and video and Tracktion actually owes more to systems like those than it does low-cost Windows/Mac software packages like Cubase and Logic.
As a sound editor, I'm using Tracktion and Nuendo together on a daily basis on my current effects-heavy TV project - Tracktion for making/manipulating the sound design elements and then Nuendo for fitting them to picture/laying them out for mixing.
Nigel (best name on the forum), this isn't the standard "oooh, don't be nasty about my favourite app..." forum-rant, but more a friendly suggestion that as a full-time Nuendo owner/user myself you [i]might[/i] want to take another look at Tracktion as you really are missing out on something rather special!
There's now a whole community of professional Tracktion/Nuendo people knocking around here in Soho, using this particular pairing on a number of top film & TV projects... it would be a shame if your (totally-understandable) initial reactions stopped you exploring Tracktion further. By [i]design[/i] it was conceived to do all the things that Nuendo doesn't... and probably [i] won't[/i]... and lurking behind that "Fisher Price meets Flame" interface is one of the most powerful audio engines of the last 5 years. Really.
That's all.
Philip[/quote]
since your the only one who replied with a intelligent thought out response,...i will try to do the same."Fisher Price meets Flame",well phrased,...i guess i am too impatient to spend too much time digging into a program that doesnt seem very user friendly,and isnt realtivly easy to jump into and use. for my purposes,i found nuendo QUITE easy to use without having to spend an inordinate amount of time reading help files and manuals or having to resort to a tutorial. i actually PREFER a multi-windowed recording app,its easier to organise,easier to tell where everything is etc etc. but thats just ME.i also like being able to use a control surface to mix with rather than having to attempt to mix with a mouse,something i have always found to be ANNOYING.tracktion has been over hyped to me by others i know who use it,i never had much interest in deviating from what works for me to try it,until the 'free' offer from tape op. and for the record,the amount one spends on a program does not directly reflect its usefulness,...i do belive that in MOST cases in the DAW world you DO get what you pay for though in features,flexibility and usefulness. if you dont agree,..so be it,i wont resort to personal attacks as many on this forum seem so quick to do themselves,QUITE childish,and if this is any indication of the type of people using this application and forum,then i feel quite confident in my original assessment of tracktion. my inital post was a rant i will admit,but forums i enter into are excactly that,a FORUM for discussion and debate about a particular topic where varying opinions abound,not a stroke fest where everything is all happy happy and everyones opinion is the same. i personally found tracktions interface to be clumsy,the organisation of effects/vst etc is kinda funny. i personally like a fader respresentation to be present, (perhaps its from so many years of using analog multitrack gear), i wasnt immediatly able to find this type of function in tracktion,which is a big strike in MY opinion. one thing i love about nuendo is that it works for ME more like an analog deck/console combination that i grew up using,something i have never been able to find in the DAW world before. therefore,being set in my ways,when i encounter a program that has been hyped to me by clients and other engineers i know and work with,and i cant find the things that are comfortable for me to feel confident in using said program,it generally gets chucked into the 'hokey' catagory. also for the record,people who have used this app,and hyped it to me,have not been able to give me any real valid reason i should consider it other than 'its cool'. not really a strong selling point in my book. so, in essence what it comes down to for me,is that time is something i do not have a surplus of to spend learning a new program. especially if A) i already have something that works quite well for me, and B) the program doesnt lend itself to a fast learning curve upon intial inspection. i formally apologize if i offended anyones favorite program,as i said,it was a bit of a rant,....but,i spent time messing with it that i really didnt have (the same can be said of this long ass post) only because someone whose opinion i normally respect and value insisted i download and try it.perhaps,when i have more time,i may look into it again,and MAYBE my opinion will change,maybe not.
oh,and before you all go for the personal attacks again,regarding my spelling,grammer,sentence structure etc. let me first point out i have been in a marathon session for nearly 13hrs,the day after xmas,with a slight hangover,and am simply trying to get my thoughts out as quickly as possible. after all,this isnt a formal writing forum now is it?
...ok,...i'm ranting again. anyway,...i hope that clears up what my first post was about and why it was somewhat of a bitchy rant. in the future i will try not to post when under time constraints (so much for that one tonight) and holiday stress. i wil also never personally attack anyone here,and suggest some of you do the same. a difference of opinion is not after all, a capitol offense.
carry on.
I use just Tracktion and Nuendo 2.2 for all my work (which incidentally is pro-broadcast TV work in the UK) and it's important to remember that Tracktion was conceived as an [i]alternative[/i] to the multi-windowed, multi-processored, multi-output heavyweight workstation ethics of Nuendo and Pro Tools, particularly.
Like Jules (Tracktion's developer), my background was with ultra-high-end DAW systems for audio, CGI and video and Tracktion actually owes more to systems like those than it does low-cost Windows/Mac software packages like Cubase and Logic.
As a sound editor, I'm using Tracktion and Nuendo together on a daily basis on my current effects-heavy TV project - Tracktion for making/manipulating the sound design elements and then Nuendo for fitting them to picture/laying them out for mixing.
Nigel (best name on the forum), this isn't the standard "oooh, don't be nasty about my favourite app..." forum-rant, but more a friendly suggestion that as a full-time Nuendo owner/user myself you [i]might[/i] want to take another look at Tracktion as you really are missing out on something rather special!
There's now a whole community of professional Tracktion/Nuendo people knocking around here in Soho, using this particular pairing on a number of top film & TV projects... it would be a shame if your (totally-understandable) initial reactions stopped you exploring Tracktion further. By [i]design[/i] it was conceived to do all the things that Nuendo doesn't... and probably [i] won't[/i]... and lurking behind that "Fisher Price meets Flame" interface is one of the most powerful audio engines of the last 5 years. Really.
That's all.
Philip[/quote]
since your the only one who replied with a intelligent thought out response,...i will try to do the same."Fisher Price meets Flame",well phrased,...i guess i am too impatient to spend too much time digging into a program that doesnt seem very user friendly,and isnt realtivly easy to jump into and use. for my purposes,i found nuendo QUITE easy to use without having to spend an inordinate amount of time reading help files and manuals or having to resort to a tutorial. i actually PREFER a multi-windowed recording app,its easier to organise,easier to tell where everything is etc etc. but thats just ME.i also like being able to use a control surface to mix with rather than having to attempt to mix with a mouse,something i have always found to be ANNOYING.tracktion has been over hyped to me by others i know who use it,i never had much interest in deviating from what works for me to try it,until the 'free' offer from tape op. and for the record,the amount one spends on a program does not directly reflect its usefulness,...i do belive that in MOST cases in the DAW world you DO get what you pay for though in features,flexibility and usefulness. if you dont agree,..so be it,i wont resort to personal attacks as many on this forum seem so quick to do themselves,QUITE childish,and if this is any indication of the type of people using this application and forum,then i feel quite confident in my original assessment of tracktion. my inital post was a rant i will admit,but forums i enter into are excactly that,a FORUM for discussion and debate about a particular topic where varying opinions abound,not a stroke fest where everything is all happy happy and everyones opinion is the same. i personally found tracktions interface to be clumsy,the organisation of effects/vst etc is kinda funny. i personally like a fader respresentation to be present, (perhaps its from so many years of using analog multitrack gear), i wasnt immediatly able to find this type of function in tracktion,which is a big strike in MY opinion. one thing i love about nuendo is that it works for ME more like an analog deck/console combination that i grew up using,something i have never been able to find in the DAW world before. therefore,being set in my ways,when i encounter a program that has been hyped to me by clients and other engineers i know and work with,and i cant find the things that are comfortable for me to feel confident in using said program,it generally gets chucked into the 'hokey' catagory. also for the record,people who have used this app,and hyped it to me,have not been able to give me any real valid reason i should consider it other than 'its cool'. not really a strong selling point in my book. so, in essence what it comes down to for me,is that time is something i do not have a surplus of to spend learning a new program. especially if A) i already have something that works quite well for me, and B) the program doesnt lend itself to a fast learning curve upon intial inspection. i formally apologize if i offended anyones favorite program,as i said,it was a bit of a rant,....but,i spent time messing with it that i really didnt have (the same can be said of this long ass post) only because someone whose opinion i normally respect and value insisted i download and try it.perhaps,when i have more time,i may look into it again,and MAYBE my opinion will change,maybe not.
oh,and before you all go for the personal attacks again,regarding my spelling,grammer,sentence structure etc. let me first point out i have been in a marathon session for nearly 13hrs,the day after xmas,with a slight hangover,and am simply trying to get my thoughts out as quickly as possible. after all,this isnt a formal writing forum now is it?
...ok,...i'm ranting again. anyway,...i hope that clears up what my first post was about and why it was somewhat of a bitchy rant. in the future i will try not to post when under time constraints (so much for that one tonight) and holiday stress. i wil also never personally attack anyone here,and suggest some of you do the same. a difference of opinion is not after all, a capitol offense.
carry on.
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- KVRAF
- 3528 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
uh...right.
kvr is the problem, not your communication skills. right.
Listen, most people on this forum are intelligent enough to know the difference between constructive criticism and reasonable, logical debate, and the kind of post you made. if you feel all hard done by because of the response you got, read your post again because you are clearly missing something. The reaction is NOT because your choice of DAW is somehow unacceptable; it is the post itself and the manner of in which it was delivered that caused the reaction. It is also unfortunate how many people think that anything but a bitchfest forum like cubarse.fuckwit or whatever is somehow not a real forum, because for the most part we get along here; this is one of the most active, informative, and lively forums on this subject, and it is precisely BECAUSE we choose our words, or try to, and BECAUSE we know how to communicate in ways that stimulate an exchange of INFORMATION, not insults, threats, and penis measurements.
so bleh!
so that's off my chest....
now a question: you really found Nuendo easy to jump right into? I am curious about what you used before Nuendo. I am not exactly new to this whole thing, and I found it quite difficult for the first few hours; I felt several times like giving up, before it started to make sense. That being said, once you have been using these types of things for 10 years or so, they all make at least a little sense; and to Steinbergs credit, I didn't consult the manual more than onece or twice.
But then again, with Tracktion, I didn't use the manual at all, and was happily working on a track within minutes - which brings me back to my question, I guess... tracktion hard, nuendo EASY????
kvr is the problem, not your communication skills. right.
Listen, most people on this forum are intelligent enough to know the difference between constructive criticism and reasonable, logical debate, and the kind of post you made. if you feel all hard done by because of the response you got, read your post again because you are clearly missing something. The reaction is NOT because your choice of DAW is somehow unacceptable; it is the post itself and the manner of in which it was delivered that caused the reaction. It is also unfortunate how many people think that anything but a bitchfest forum like cubarse.fuckwit or whatever is somehow not a real forum, because for the most part we get along here; this is one of the most active, informative, and lively forums on this subject, and it is precisely BECAUSE we choose our words, or try to, and BECAUSE we know how to communicate in ways that stimulate an exchange of INFORMATION, not insults, threats, and penis measurements.
so bleh!
so that's off my chest....
now a question: you really found Nuendo easy to jump right into? I am curious about what you used before Nuendo. I am not exactly new to this whole thing, and I found it quite difficult for the first few hours; I felt several times like giving up, before it started to make sense. That being said, once you have been using these types of things for 10 years or so, they all make at least a little sense; and to Steinbergs credit, I didn't consult the manual more than onece or twice.
But then again, with Tracktion, I didn't use the manual at all, and was happily working on a track within minutes - which brings me back to my question, I guess... tracktion hard, nuendo EASY????
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 26 Dec, 2004
[quote="spoonboiler"]uh...right.
kvr is the problem, not your communication skills. right.
Listen, most people on this forum are intelligent enough to know the difference between constructive criticism and reasonable, logical debate, and the kind of post you made. if you feel all hard done by because of the response you got, read your post again because you are clearly missing something. The reaction is NOT because your choice of DAW is somehow unacceptable; it is the post itself and the manner of in which it was delivered that caused the reaction. It is also unfortunate how many people think that anything but a bitchfest forum like cubarse.fuckwit or whatever is somehow not a real forum, because for the most part we get along here; this is one of the most active, informative, and lively forums on this subject, and it is precisely BECAUSE we choose our words, or try to, and BECAUSE we know how to communicate in ways that stimulate an exchange of INFORMATION, not insults, threats, and penis measurements.
so bleh! :P :lol:
so that's off my chest....
now a question: you really found Nuendo easy to jump right into? I am curious about what you used before Nuendo. I am not exactly new to this whole thing, and I found it quite difficult for the first few hours; I felt several times like giving up, before it started to make sense. That being said, once you have been using these types of things for 10 years or so, they all make at least a little sense; and to Steinbergs credit, I didn't consult the manual more than onece or twice.
But then again, with Tracktion, I didn't use the manual at all, and was happily working on a track within minutes - which brings me back to my question, I guess... tracktion hard, nuendo EASY???? :shock: :D :wink:[/quote]
m'kay,...first off,...i stated that my first post was overeationary bitchy rant,..and for the record i never stated that anything that said KVR was the problem,i just dont like the software,no ones problem...i'm not going to sit here and justify myself to you or anyone else.i cant type worth a damn and i know it,other than that,i communicate just fine thanks.
second,...as far as DAWs are concerned,i started about 14 years ago or so,on a thing called AMS audiophile (or something like that),from there it was session 8,protools,software audio workshop,cakewalk/sonar...and a pile of others like,cubase,logic,wavelab,acid,cool edit pro,fruity loops pro,nuendo 1,then 2 etc.
and yeah, i found nuendo 2 VERY easy to jump into,i dont know why,it was very natural to me,...many people that work here need to be coached a bit on it,but i have never had any problems getting into it and getting quality work done very quickly.
perhaps the problem i am having with tracktion is that its a completely different type of interface from what i am used to,...i find it alien,and mildly confusing,similar to the way i feel about ableton live,its weird....therefore i didnt find it to be to my advantage to persue it any further....its a personal preferance.
kvr is the problem, not your communication skills. right.
Listen, most people on this forum are intelligent enough to know the difference between constructive criticism and reasonable, logical debate, and the kind of post you made. if you feel all hard done by because of the response you got, read your post again because you are clearly missing something. The reaction is NOT because your choice of DAW is somehow unacceptable; it is the post itself and the manner of in which it was delivered that caused the reaction. It is also unfortunate how many people think that anything but a bitchfest forum like cubarse.fuckwit or whatever is somehow not a real forum, because for the most part we get along here; this is one of the most active, informative, and lively forums on this subject, and it is precisely BECAUSE we choose our words, or try to, and BECAUSE we know how to communicate in ways that stimulate an exchange of INFORMATION, not insults, threats, and penis measurements.
so bleh! :P :lol:
so that's off my chest....
now a question: you really found Nuendo easy to jump right into? I am curious about what you used before Nuendo. I am not exactly new to this whole thing, and I found it quite difficult for the first few hours; I felt several times like giving up, before it started to make sense. That being said, once you have been using these types of things for 10 years or so, they all make at least a little sense; and to Steinbergs credit, I didn't consult the manual more than onece or twice.
But then again, with Tracktion, I didn't use the manual at all, and was happily working on a track within minutes - which brings me back to my question, I guess... tracktion hard, nuendo EASY???? :shock: :D :wink:[/quote]
m'kay,...first off,...i stated that my first post was overeationary bitchy rant,..and for the record i never stated that anything that said KVR was the problem,i just dont like the software,no ones problem...i'm not going to sit here and justify myself to you or anyone else.i cant type worth a damn and i know it,other than that,i communicate just fine thanks.
second,...as far as DAWs are concerned,i started about 14 years ago or so,on a thing called AMS audiophile (or something like that),from there it was session 8,protools,software audio workshop,cakewalk/sonar...and a pile of others like,cubase,logic,wavelab,acid,cool edit pro,fruity loops pro,nuendo 1,then 2 etc.
and yeah, i found nuendo 2 VERY easy to jump into,i dont know why,it was very natural to me,...many people that work here need to be coached a bit on it,but i have never had any problems getting into it and getting quality work done very quickly.
perhaps the problem i am having with tracktion is that its a completely different type of interface from what i am used to,...i find it alien,and mildly confusing,similar to the way i feel about ableton live,its weird....therefore i didnt find it to be to my advantage to persue it any further....its a personal preferance.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
OK,
Please learn to format your posts. I made a bitchy reply because I can't READ anything you write! Then I finally noticed that my final synopsis ("It seems to me like it's just outside of your comfort zone and level of familiarity") is something that you said yourself already.
And here I thought I was being an insightful shrink.
But really-- open your mind a bit. If you yourself can say that it's just weird and unfamiliar to you, then you need to consider that as the ONLY answer to why you didn't like it, instead of going into some sort of bizarre rant about how it's clumsy. If there's one thing that is almost universally agreed upon is that Tracktion is butt-simple. If anything, people dislike it because it seems TOO simple and therefore they don't feel that it has any power.
Glad you realized your own misjudgement, but I really think you would have been better served by making that realization earlier, and having the self-awareness to be able to make that simple and short point without making unsubstantiated claims and presenting yourself like... well... the way you presented yourself.
Greg
Please learn to format your posts.
I made a bitchy reply because I can't READ anything you write! Then I finally noticed that my final synopsis ("It seems to me like it's just outside of your comfort zone and level of familiarity") is something that you said yourself already.And here I thought I was being an insightful shrink.
But really-- open your mind a bit. If you yourself can say that it's just weird and unfamiliar to you, then you need to consider that as the ONLY answer to why you didn't like it, instead of going into some sort of bizarre rant about how it's clumsy. If there's one thing that is almost universally agreed upon is that Tracktion is butt-simple. If anything, people dislike it because it seems TOO simple and therefore they don't feel that it has any power.
Glad you realized your own misjudgement, but I really think you would have been better served by making that realization earlier, and having the self-awareness to be able to make that simple and short point without making unsubstantiated claims and presenting yourself like... well... the way you presented yourself.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
I would say you should give tracktion a bit more of a test drive before forming an opinion. A couple of sessions should do it.
The is no doubt that people love the traditional 'mixer/ hardware' style interface, and perhaps you are one of those.
Tracktion is much more in tune with how we might choose to make music software if the hardware had not been invented. I believe it to appeal to both sides of the brain.
Good luck what ever you do.
The is no doubt that people love the traditional 'mixer/ hardware' style interface, and perhaps you are one of those.
Tracktion is much more in tune with how we might choose to make music software if the hardware had not been invented. I believe it to appeal to both sides of the brain.
Good luck what ever you do.
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 16 Dec, 2004
Yet another Nuendo guy here.
Nigel's comfortable with Nuendo becuase it has faders
and interacts well with control surfaces.
For about ten minutes in the history of digital recording,
there was a Sony(?) digital recorder
where you could splice the tape on a block,
because the old analog guys "weren't going to be comfortable with anything else".
I use Nuendo's faders as a last resort.
I draw curves in the project,
I cut parts into chunks and drag their level up and down,
and with a little more functionality in the project view
I would happily give up the mixer window real estate.
I own Tracktion.
I do find some parts of it stifling,
(I really can't see more then one plug-in at a time?)
but I'm delighted to see someone exploring a new paradigm.
Nigel's comfortable with Nuendo becuase it has faders
and interacts well with control surfaces.
For about ten minutes in the history of digital recording,
there was a Sony(?) digital recorder
where you could splice the tape on a block,
because the old analog guys "weren't going to be comfortable with anything else".
I use Nuendo's faders as a last resort.
I draw curves in the project,
I cut parts into chunks and drag their level up and down,
and with a little more functionality in the project view
I would happily give up the mixer window real estate.
I own Tracktion.
I do find some parts of it stifling,
(I really can't see more then one plug-in at a time?)
but I'm delighted to see someone exploring a new paradigm.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Whatcha mean? Press "lock" on your plug-in and it won't lose focus. Even better, drag the plug-ins you're working with into another monitor and "lock" them.Dubwise wrote:(I really can't see more then one plug-in at a time?)
Thanks for the positive and open perspective! Interesting about that tape-splice thing!
Greg