Tracktion Software

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:25 pm

rockstar_not wrote:2. Change T's tempo to match the loop's length in bars (T will tell you how long a loop is in seconds - do the Beats per Minute conversion from there with a simple calculator - enter in this for the tempo in T and it should match up with the length of the loop at a bar marker.

This bit is easier if you use Tracktion's "auto tempo" feature:

Speaks for itself really..

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:55 pm

rockstar_not wrote: 3. Blow up the loop so that you can see the detailed waveform and when major transients occur.

press F4 and then z for that...

chardin · Post by **chardin** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:32 am

<napolean>Sweet!</napolean>

Many thanks to Scott, platinumears, and jens. This tutorial was very helpful.

Todd24 · Post by **Todd24** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:50 am

Ya, for me too!

Thanks!

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:54 am

If you're slowing things down and get gaps, this can work suprisingly well:

Quickest way is to <CNTRL> drag a copy of the slice so that it buts up against the next one, and then slip edit the start of the copy to create a suitable overlap. Then just press "auto crossfade".

If you are covering up a reverb tail or cymbal decay it might be worth dropping the gain of the copied clip by a couple of db in its properties panel.. although it can sometimes add a nice pumpy sort of ambience if you don't!

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:13 am

..and just to prove the point:

Original 107 BPM drum loop, with reverb.

Slowed down to 80 BPM

I just followed the steps above without making any attempt to choose the best edit points, or adjust the gains of the copied slices.. took about 5 minutes! It could be much improved with a little more time of course..

braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:39 am

Awesome tips guys!

braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:06 am

I just took a loop that was 80 bpm and ramped the tempo over 10 bars or so up to 125 bpm and it sounded great. It was a simple pattern but a lot of the time that's all I need. Manually doing it this way seems easier actually than a lot of apps that are supposed to make it easy, and you don't need to deal with another interface. Of course, I still want a built-in beat-slicer, but at least I have a free option from within Tracktion (and T2, I guess I'll go ahead and upgrade now).

Another thing is that you could take these slices into the sampler and then play them there as well, recording snares maybe. Create a drum kit on the fly

I do this in Live4 with Impulse, using Live's drum machine with snippets of loops.

It is cool that you can put reverb just on the snare hits, etc. Again, cool tip, thanks!

Blur1 · Post by **Blur1** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:42 pm

Thanks for the interesting info. I have found the nicest way of manipulating beats is in Reason with REX2 files and the sampler. My aim here would not be a drum machine or loops, but constructing the beats in an MPC-way I guess.

I would have liked to have seen REX 2 support in T2. But I noticed that the new Steinberg Halion Player Vsti supports import of REX2 files. Does anyone have Halion 2 and know how good its support of REX2 is? I would like to be able to move the individual slices around, change the actual audio file being referenced at a particular slice, and also route each slice to different effects. Also, does Halion work in Tracktion??
I know the beat slicing can be done manually as described, which is good to know.

birrbits · Post by **birrbits** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:24 pm

braj wrote:Of course, I still want a built-in beat-slicer, but at least I have a free option from within Tracktion

Give the Zero-X BeatCreator demo a spin
http://www.beatcreator.com

chardin · Post by **chardin** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:53 pm

platinumears wrote:If you're slowing things down and get gaps, this can work suprisingly well:

Many, many thanks for yet another great tip. Any tips for taking an 80 bpm loop and going up to 120? I tried this last night and the clips overlapped quite a bit.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:19 pm

chardin wrote:
platinumears wrote:If you're slowing things down and get gaps, this can work suprisingly well:
Many, many thanks for yet another great tip. Any tips for taking an 80 bpm loop and going up to 120? I tried this last night and the clips overlapped quite a bit.

there are two tricks you can apply...
(sometimes a combination of them works best)

- you can make the clips shorter (drag)and use a fade instead of their own amplitude-envelope

- you can make them shorter by time-stretching (alt+drag) them a bit (use the default setting where the pitch gets changed (resampling) depending on how short the overlapping is you probably won't notice the change in pitch

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clueless · Post by **clueless** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:33 pm

ahhhh - this is more like the RMS forum we know and love

if i have time over the weekend i'll post some screengrabs of my timestretch/tempo problem - it's nothing to do with prefab loops btw

although, reading this thread has given me a couple of ideas for solutions, in which case, thanks already!

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:18 pm

clueless wrote:ahhhh - this is more like the RMS forum we know and love

Think its a coincidence that Ron didn't post in this one?

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:28 pm

shhh...

Tracktion Software

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Beatslicing for non-electronica/dance/hip hop/etc.