new FL piano roll tools

[Beardedone]

Score flipper - horizontally flip or reverse the score and or vetically invert the notes. Very inspiring I think.

Beat me to it Normal! Mirror image good one!

[Barf]

Score flipper - horizontally flip or reverse the score and or vetically invert the notes. Very inspiring I think.

Beat me to it Normal! Mirror image good one!

...im getting too old for this
What will they think of next? 'Fruity sliced bread'?

[Wopelka]

totally amazing.. you can never learn enough about FLstudio.

I'm glad someone else feels this way!

we are 3, at least

I remember one time I posted about not being able to do alternate time sigs, (this was a few versions ago) and I guess gol had about enough of those kinds of posts. He responded personally, and I think he was just plain shocked that there was somebody dense enough to miss that feature (while he was busy trying to implenent WAY more impressive features).

well, do you mean it is possible to alternate time sigs in one project???

[Jaeson Merrill]

its not really.. you can have different pattern lengths, but its really not the same.

[boin]

Is it possible for a person to test drive FL for a week or two or four and write a review, mabey even months? I've been using it for years and still find new things.

Me too. I bought it when it was still announced as a drum machine - version 1.4 if I remember right (98 or 99).

Some people use to bash FL as amateurish or toyish out of pure ignorance (or prejudice - both usually walk together ) It is not perfect of course, but it is still my tool of choice after all these years - with no regrets!

[headquest]

its not really.. you can have different pattern lengths, but its really not the same.

I was wondering about this. I'm not an FL user ... yet. I downloaded the latest demo 5.0.2 following on from another thread. I had real problems with the demo of 5.0, but this release seems more reliable.

So you can't add time signature changes? That's a pity.

How about tempo changes?

Also, am I right in assuming the demo contains all of the stuff in the XXL version, do you know? If so, if you purchase Producer Version (which I am considering) do you lose some of the stuff that is in the demo, or still have demo versions (e.g. of Sytrus)?

[Jaeson Merrill]

tempo changes are totally easy. no problem there, and you can SORT of do tempo changes... i dunno, it would be nice to have more options for this, but gol seems to think everything should be in 4/4 or at least the same time sig thruout.

[smart]

It's easier than you think - the tempo is automatable, so just record changes to the tempo using automation in different patterns, then trigger those patterns in the playlist when you want the tempo to change.

[smart]

here's a quick tutorial I just made up quickly to help out:

http://www.smartbeats.com/misc/brian_de ... ng_bpm.flp

[ouroboros]

its not really.. you can have different pattern lengths, but its really not the same.

I was wondering about this. I'm not an FL user ... yet. I downloaded the latest demo 5.0.2 following on from another thread. I had real problems with the demo of 5.0, but this release seems more reliable.

So you can't add time signature changes? That's a pity.

How about tempo changes?

Also, am I right in assuming the demo contains all of the stuff in the XXL version, do you know? If so, if you purchase Producer Version (which I am considering) do you lose some of the stuff that is in the demo, or still have demo versions (e.g. of Sytrus)?

The demo versions are still present.

And I am one of the "There is always so much more to FL than I know" crew.

[headquest]

Thanks everyone! I'm enjoying this demo, and I can see why FL has such a devoted following! With other software I have, FL is not something I need, but I think it may be great for students (I teach keyboards and music tech) so I'm considering getting it and learning it inside out for that reason. Having said that, I can see that if I go ahead I might end up using FL quite a lot for my own pattern-based stuff, instead of Live 4 (which I am not entirely happy with at present).

Thanks again! (I'm off to go through that tutorial now...)

[soulkraka]

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why arent you happy with Live4? Just curious because I recently got a bit sick of it and have arranged to trade it for Reason 3. FL suits me better and with Reaktor and Reason providing sounds I'm set. I guess i just got tired of the whole "browse through my loops and see what fits" method of making music...it just doesnt suit me. I have stuff going through my head all the time and a loop never sounds like it. Even if I did find a loop it never sounded quite right in Live, unless it was a beat. The timestretching isnt so great IMHO.

Have you tried to the timestretching in FL yet? Incredible. (Try right clicking on the time knob)
How about the various tools in the piano roll to massage your midi? very cool stuff as well.

I give you a couple months...you'll be an FL freak like the rest of us

[headquest]

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why arent you happy with Live4? Just curious because I recently got a bit sick of it and have arranged to trade it for Reason 3. FL suits me better and with Reaktor and Reason providing sounds I'm set. I guess i just got tired of the whole "browse through my loops and see what fits" method of making music...it just doesnt suit me. I have stuff going through my head all the time and a loop never sounds like it. Even if I did find a loop it never sounded quite right in Live, unless it was a beat. The timestretching isnt so great IMHO.

Have you tried to the timestretching in FL yet? Incredible. (Try right clicking on the time knob)
How about the various tools in the piano roll to massage your midi? very cool stuff as well.

I give you a couple months...you'll be an FL freak like the rest of us

Hi.

First of all, I notice that FL and Reason are often compared, which I think is a mistake - they seem to me completely different in so many ways. Live is different again, and which of the three you will like the most probably depends on your approach to making music, particularly whether you work in a pattern-based or linear way, and whther you tend to sequence in MIDI or record audio.

Live 4 is fantastic in lots of ways but as you asked, the reasons that I'm struggling with Live 4 are:

- CPU overhead. Start adding VSTs and it goes mad! I did direct comparissons on my system with the same VSTs in Tracktion and found that Live uses more than 50% extra CPU per VST added. Not good

- Audio drop out. Live is supposed to have a great audio engine, but I experience audio drop out as soon as the CPU hits around 65%

- ReWire slave - none of your VSTs show if you open Live as a ReWire slave. This is annoying because I hoped to use Audition as a host and bring in Live as the slave for MIDI sequencing duties. Not possible. I see that this IS possible with FL though, so there's one way I would personally use FL straight off!

- Metering. THe level meters in Live seem dodgy to me. And very small.

- The reverb effect sounds bad to my ears. I did think that Live was adding a tinny quality to everything, but I think the native reverb is the culprit. Use other reverbs (e.g. Kjarehus Classic, SIR) and the sound improves no end.

There are other things, but these are the main ones I can think of now!

I've been a fan of Reason for some time - I think it is a fantastic piece of software. I beta tested v.3.0 and you're not going to be disappointed. On paper the upgrade looks a little bit lame, but the reality is that many of the issues people have previously raised no longer exist, most notably the sound quality. The MClass mastering suite really is the business. Also control surface support rocks in R3.

I think the set up of FL/Reason/Reaktor is awesome for MIDI based sequencing, butpossibly a little weak on the audio side. Having said that I've not yet tried much of FL for audio recording/editing. I'll get to that next! And possibly you work in MIDI only? It's a pity you have to trade Live for Reason and not have all three .

If I had to have just one out of these 3, I think I'd be tempted to go with FL as a first choice, because it seems the best all-rounder. Live and Reason together are of course awesome!

[soulkraka]

actually, dont have much use for Live anymore for the above stated reason. I do record audio but usually not more than 5-8 tracks per song. Admittedly not FLs strong point IMO but it works for me. FL does have the option to use external tools to edit audio though so in your case you could set up FL to open audition if need be.


cant wait to get my hands on Reason 3. Hows the new factory soundbank BTW? some cool combinator patches?

have you seen this?



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