OMG: T2 no relative controller-messages, too?!

[Barbarossa]

When will that be? In half a year? Or when they recognize, T2 isn't selling that much MCUs as hoped?
Come on, are you that naive to believe such an important thing like relative controllers were overlooked, since the MCUs support it since ages?
This is a typical marketing decision and if it doesn't work, or the pressure rises, then they will implement it.
But that's the difference between the revolutionary groundbraking T1-concept i know, and the marketing-driven products.

And haydxn, the name Barbarossa has nothing in common with Hollywood.

[valley]

Hell, there even were responses of people, that they can automate T2 very well with their absolute-MIDI-controllers, - things that didn't work already 10 years ago!
Please tell me, the Tracktion community also has serious users.

Bit of a logic problem here, I'm afraid.

You accuse the Tracktion userbase of being uniformly amateur, but your entire argument is built on the idea that Mackie is trying to force the sale of MCU and C2 units through Tracktion. I dunno about you, but most of the amateurs I know are unlikely to drop a grand or more on an external controller. Mackie are certainly aware of this fact also.

Oh, and BTW, Tracktion2 doesn't yet support the control extender. Maybe it's an evil plot by Mackie to not support their own hardware.

[haydxn]

no, as i've stated, the MCU supports relative controllers, and T2 has code to support relative controllers.

as it is tho, relative controllers are not a standard midi thing, and the MIDI spec makes no allowances for its existence. T2 has code built in to interpret them within the MCU interface, so it's only a matter of time before that code gets used for the automation side of things too. have some patience, and stop being so paranoid. it's quite pathetic.

i don't believe that i'm naive. i don't think it would be possible for me to have made such progress in adapting what is there for other users to make use of if i were as naive as you seem to think i am.

[valley]

When will that be? In half a year?

It'll probably when they get round ot it. There are a numer of important features that T2 lacks. Almost certainly, some of those features will make it into minor version releases. Support for other controllers may well be amongst them.

If it isn't it'll be because they deemed other features (clip automation, eliminating delay caused by racks, whateve) more important for the short term.

Come on, are you that naive to believe such an important thing like relative controllers were overlooked, since the MCUs support it since ages?

Are you stupid? T2 *supports* relative controllers.

It doesn't support it on the controller mapping page, because that isn't the standard way that MIDI controllers work. If you think that's a conspiracy then go complain to the MIDI standards body.

It does support it for external controllers. This means, when they have time, they can add support for whatever other external controllers they want to add.

This is a typical marketing decision and if it doesn't work, or the pressure rises, then they will implement it.

Total bullshit. They had to start somewhere. They are going to start with their own hardware. There is nothing sinister about that, it'd be really stupid of them not to. I can assure you as a beta-tester that they were still ironing out bugs in the MCU support pretty much up to the last minute. How the f**k were they going to add support for other controllers then without adding yet another delay to the shipping date?

Get a clue. It isn't all a freaking conspiracy.

[Barbarossa]

haydxn,
i don't think you are naive regarding the MCU-thing you work on. That is fantastic.
But i think you are naive in terms of marketing decisions.
Nevertheless, i hope, you will be right and i will be wrong - in less then a half year.

[semiquaver]

redbeard:

Valley has a point I think: Mackie could not very wel release T2 without support for MCU - apparently getting that working required all they had in terms of time (as you know they are quite behind schedule!).

As you have pointed out they have an incentive to point T users toward their hardware, ok. But perhaps T itself has some potential as a product and they may want to sell it even to the sort of people who cannot afford an MCU. In fact it seems, pricewise, to be aimed at quite a different market segment than MCU. So we will all have to wait and see. I think you are right to be concerned, but I don't think that failing to support cheap controllers is a good marketing strategy and I think Mackie may see it that way too. As you say - we wil have to wait and see.

[djsubject]

well mackie will want to ship the software with there hardware!!!!

i think thats more the point thay were intreasted in

IMHO

[braj]

well mackie will want to ship the software with there hardware!!!!

i think thats more the point thay were intreasted in

IMHO

I agree with that, imagine if it didn't work with Mackie's gear (like T1 didn't). I think for Mackie it was more a case of adding value to current gear than trying to get people to buy $1000 Mackie hardware because it is the only thing that works well with their $150 software. I'm sure some marketing nut would think that's a good sales strategy though.