Attack of the 60-Dollar DAW!
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- KVRAF
- 5851 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki
Once your track is rendered out, nobody knows or cares what DAW, instruments or methods you used to make it.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Magix Music Maker '17 gets top rating in Beat Mag 131 (6/6)
So is it worth another look?
So is it worth another look?
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 11 Jul, 2006 from Fayetteville, GA
Heeyy gueyyss!
Since I grew up on watching old 70s and 80s b and z grade flicks on TV and VHS and have a love of lo-fi, simple, low-grade synth stuff and find joy with even simple compositions and simple and older VSTi such as mda's JX-10 (heh, yeah I know...but yes, really), and Synth1 of course and even still dig old soundfonts and am thankful for recent freeware synths such as PG-8X.....all of you who do super, crazy complex projects of any other genre I don't dig is therefore not "real music" and your over-priced, CPU-hungry VSTi are null and void. I do declare it! If you've spent more (or less) than I on a DAW I can't or won't deal with, or use ten times the amount of tracks and FX than I may utilize you're not being totes serious and stuff.
Remember that. It's facts, kids. For reals. Listen to me because I have x amount of money and it doesn't matter that you do too. It only matters that I do. I can't believe you don't know I'm so very, super, duper, crazy, totally right about everything.
Since I grew up on watching old 70s and 80s b and z grade flicks on TV and VHS and have a love of lo-fi, simple, low-grade synth stuff and find joy with even simple compositions and simple and older VSTi such as mda's JX-10 (heh, yeah I know...but yes, really), and Synth1 of course and even still dig old soundfonts and am thankful for recent freeware synths such as PG-8X.....all of you who do super, crazy complex projects of any other genre I don't dig is therefore not "real music" and your over-priced, CPU-hungry VSTi are null and void. I do declare it! If you've spent more (or less) than I on a DAW I can't or won't deal with, or use ten times the amount of tracks and FX than I may utilize you're not being totes serious and stuff.
Remember that. It's facts, kids. For reals. Listen to me because I have x amount of money and it doesn't matter that you do too. It only matters that I do. I can't believe you don't know I'm so very, super, duper, crazy, totally right about everything.
"The last man on earth doesn't miss anyone at all." - Haujobb, Faith In Chaos
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 11 Jul, 2006 from Fayetteville, GA
Forgive me if I "blurt" and "shoot from the hip" in an attempt to do so.
After about 15 years of playing bass and sometimes being roped into be the "singer" for high school and after 'bands' , the latter half of those years being mainly me, myself and I wanting to be a good bassist and, as such, needing others to play with/off of/inspired by and, well, not really getting that... plus my growing love of EBM/industrial and going back to my 8-11 year-old time of digging the "second British invasion" of NeuRomantic/synthpop/whatever plus how much I loved the synths of the rock bands I dug (such as, say, RUSH) pushed me to wanting to do more than play bass. Indeed wanting to go 'full synth'. I knew nothing about them. I knew drums/rhythm due to playing bass and that was it. All of my previous 'bandmates'/etc. were those who knew effects and FX chains and the particulars of recording and so forth. I was never into anything 'technical', nor had I excelled in theory. I literally played what "sounded good" and my fellow players of any and every skill level would regale me with musical theory/technical 'babble' I didn't understand, as they imagined I knew well what I was doing. Saying things repeatedly and often such as "Dude! I loved the way you [technical terminology] in the [musical theory terms] with the [music theory stuff] during the [music theory stuff] and how it [tech stuff/music theory stuff] so well with [music theory stuff].
Being young and a jackass, I could only respond over those many years with: "Oh. Well...yeah. Of course." Heh.
This sold me and I sold myself as being a "natural". I found out different when I wanted to be responsible for the drum machines, the synths, the melodies...all of the parts in fact.
This has led to me being, despite being a "musician", a "Stranger in a strange land" and effectively starting from scratch at age 30 back in 2004. Now, 12 years later, as it's a hobby and just as often only a mere fun and enjoyable distraction, I've moved ahead a good bit but not nearly as much as I might have were I as narrow-minded in music as I was between ages 15-25. That's okay.
I cannot express how much I learned about synths, drum machines, samples in general, effects (I was always and still am horrible in this area) and arranging in general with Reason 2.5 on my old latter-day iMac G3. Now, with the totally free (PC version anyways) Caustic 3, I'm finding myself back with the basics I had then (despite my recent excursions with Reaper and such).
I'm not at all illustrative of the kinds of folks who populate KVR and the like, but I'm certain I'm far from alone.
I'm 100% happy watching some 80s grindhouse horror or sci-fi and being inspired by 15 second incidental music and coming up with similar and/or playing about with similar sounds or atmospheres.
I've no need of Reaper to do so, or even energyXT or Caustic. Heck, even my old MuLab 2 install could suffice for such. I still try and enjoy getting up to my neck in things I don't fully understand just yet and having a DAW at least as capable as even energyXT (super simple and basic for most of you) can facilitate such. I've no desire to make a living in any way, shape or form with music, any more than my super-movie-geekery or my super-nerd firearm enthusiasm can/will/will not make me a living wage. That's okay. I can be accomplished (or not) and learn more and more and more every day in those things I'm 'nerdy' about and, though I continue to learn, I need not it make my living/money. It's not how I'm defined anymore than what I do do to make money is.
In short, like watching (even on old VHS and collecting such) b-movies and z-grade-movies, or improving my draw from concealment or my technique with lever-action rifles or semi-auto rifles does not keep me from enjoying myself or fully define me or my enjoyment of wherein I find enjoyment, I cannot see how I 'need' to spend x amount of money or make this or that total commitment to both enjoy and learn. So, I see nothing at all as to how, say, only restricting myself to Psycle or MilkyTracker will "keep" me from being totes 'serious' or some such nonsense....
After about 15 years of playing bass and sometimes being roped into be the "singer" for high school and after 'bands' , the latter half of those years being mainly me, myself and I wanting to be a good bassist and, as such, needing others to play with/off of/inspired by and, well, not really getting that... plus my growing love of EBM/industrial and going back to my 8-11 year-old time of digging the "second British invasion" of NeuRomantic/synthpop/whatever plus how much I loved the synths of the rock bands I dug (such as, say, RUSH) pushed me to wanting to do more than play bass. Indeed wanting to go 'full synth'. I knew nothing about them. I knew drums/rhythm due to playing bass and that was it. All of my previous 'bandmates'/etc. were those who knew effects and FX chains and the particulars of recording and so forth. I was never into anything 'technical', nor had I excelled in theory. I literally played what "sounded good" and my fellow players of any and every skill level would regale me with musical theory/technical 'babble' I didn't understand, as they imagined I knew well what I was doing. Saying things repeatedly and often such as "Dude! I loved the way you [technical terminology] in the [musical theory terms] with the [music theory stuff] during the [music theory stuff] and how it [tech stuff/music theory stuff] so well with [music theory stuff].
Being young and a jackass, I could only respond over those many years with: "Oh. Well...yeah. Of course." Heh.
This sold me and I sold myself as being a "natural". I found out different when I wanted to be responsible for the drum machines, the synths, the melodies...all of the parts in fact.
This has led to me being, despite being a "musician", a "Stranger in a strange land" and effectively starting from scratch at age 30 back in 2004. Now, 12 years later, as it's a hobby and just as often only a mere fun and enjoyable distraction, I've moved ahead a good bit but not nearly as much as I might have were I as narrow-minded in music as I was between ages 15-25. That's okay.
I cannot express how much I learned about synths, drum machines, samples in general, effects (I was always and still am horrible in this area) and arranging in general with Reason 2.5 on my old latter-day iMac G3. Now, with the totally free (PC version anyways) Caustic 3, I'm finding myself back with the basics I had then (despite my recent excursions with Reaper and such).
I'm not at all illustrative of the kinds of folks who populate KVR and the like, but I'm certain I'm far from alone.
I'm 100% happy watching some 80s grindhouse horror or sci-fi and being inspired by 15 second incidental music and coming up with similar and/or playing about with similar sounds or atmospheres.
I've no need of Reaper to do so, or even energyXT or Caustic. Heck, even my old MuLab 2 install could suffice for such. I still try and enjoy getting up to my neck in things I don't fully understand just yet and having a DAW at least as capable as even energyXT (super simple and basic for most of you) can facilitate such. I've no desire to make a living in any way, shape or form with music, any more than my super-movie-geekery or my super-nerd firearm enthusiasm can/will/will not make me a living wage. That's okay. I can be accomplished (or not) and learn more and more and more every day in those things I'm 'nerdy' about and, though I continue to learn, I need not it make my living/money. It's not how I'm defined anymore than what I do do to make money is.
In short, like watching (even on old VHS and collecting such) b-movies and z-grade-movies, or improving my draw from concealment or my technique with lever-action rifles or semi-auto rifles does not keep me from enjoying myself or fully define me or my enjoyment of wherein I find enjoyment, I cannot see how I 'need' to spend x amount of money or make this or that total commitment to both enjoy and learn. So, I see nothing at all as to how, say, only restricting myself to Psycle or MilkyTracker will "keep" me from being totes 'serious' or some such nonsense....
"The last man on earth doesn't miss anyone at all." - Haujobb, Faith In Chaos
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 11 Jul, 2006 from Fayetteville, GA
What I really mean is: Don't allow anyone to sell you the idea that "you can't get there from here" with music or...anything. You can. You define it. You decide it. If they don't like your tools, so what? As cliche as it may seem, it's the result (indeed, the journey) that truly matters.
"The last man on earth doesn't miss anyone at all." - Haujobb, Faith In Chaos
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- KVRist
- 414 posts since 19 Sep, 2016 from Wonderland
@Machfront
Hehe my bad. I'll try to behave.
Hehe my bad. I'll try to behave.
I never make mistakes; I just blame others.
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 11 Jul, 2006 from Fayetteville, GA
Ha ha! Don't do that! That would be boring.Rappo Clappo wrote:@Machfront
Hehe my bad. I'll try to behave.
"The last man on earth doesn't miss anyone at all." - Haujobb, Faith In Chaos
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- KVRist
- 285 posts since 9 Aug, 2013 from The Hague, The Netherlands
Q: Can I get a DAW for around $60?MachFront wrote:Ha ha! Don't do that! That would be boring.Rappo Clappo wrote:@Machfront
Hehe my bad. I'll try to behave.
A: You need a relic.
I'd say, that you can do anything with this relic: two sticks.
That is, two (tuned) drum sticks.
Connected to a electronic MIDI drum pad.
Connected to a computer.
Connected to external synthesizer.
Revamped with a big recording studio.
Maxified by a mastering engineer.
Pushed to the public by a big brand.
Appearing in 10% of all commercials.
True question is:
Do I need [overpriced gadget] with [actual functional limitations to keep market up] that [mostly does not give instant satisfaction as advertised] [without learning]?
No. You do not need it. At all. But as long as everybody pretends to believe the relic state...
To find consumer electronics that LIMIT you in order to make you PAY for (related) product(s).
And the instant satisfaction comes from chocolate or vanilla or coffee. You will eventually find out about harmonics, string division, scales, chords... By learning. Doh.
Also, not doing your own research, not trying out anything, not even a demo version, just posting questions that slightly bias to buy advertised relics will do.